MagnoliaDucky
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Updates, Long-term Plans, Some Ideas, and Thank you <3
🕑 Added 2019-09-17 11:34:19 +0000 UTCHey y'all!~ :3 Long post ahead so bear with me here (once again, tl;dr version at the bottom):
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I wanted to start out by talking a bit about that recent crackdown on certain DiD artists I made a notice about weeks ago~ After some time to calm down and think about things, I did some research and some digging into the possible reasons why this one artist I follow got targeted and hit, and I thiiiiiink I understand why and I have a better idea of Patreon's expectations of creators.
Some of you have probably heard of FOSTA-SESTA in the U.S. (if not I encourage you to google it and be informed as well~), but the general gist of how this relates to us content creators is that website publishers will be held responsible if users are found to be involved in or supporting aspects of sex trafficking (including sexual slavery), hence the crackdown on certain bondage artists on Patreon. The DiD artist mentioned before seems to hav art that implies or even states the sale of individuals, with one of their last posts on Patreon depicting a bound and gagged guy with a 'For Sale' sign next to him... That would definitely send some red flags to the higher ups X0
Additionally, Patreon takes the glorification of sexual violence very seriously, and they hold the right to review and remove accounts that depict it. This includes non-consensual / coerced sexual relations, and I read that a lot of hypnofetishists got hit on Patreon a while ago for supposedly violating this guideline.
Oki so what's all this mean for Mag? :0
All of these seem to stem from the common focus of unwanted/forced sexual activity, whether implied in the art or not. As y'all know, most of my art is pretty tame when it comes to depicting sexual acts... eeeeexcept that Lucy draw. Unwanted groping definitely falls under that 'glorification of sexual violence' guideline, which is why all those Lucy posts had to go. Drawing consensual acts is okay, but anyways; the Lucy draw is still available on Dropbox, but I don't plan on keeping it there for long just in case. I'll figure out what to do with it in the near-future and let y'all know.
As for other bondage draws, as long as I don't imply any noncon sexual violence or anything mentioned above, I believe Patreon is pretty okay about it, but I can still be careful juuuuust in case. I'll most likely keep doing the cropping method I've been doing for some of my posts if I feel the need. But if anything, Patreon communicates with creators under review to get them back within guidelines, which I appreciate. So if anything happens to me and I get put under review, I can still come back from it~
So now, what's the plan moving forward?
For now, I've decided against starting up my own Discord server, at least for the time being. I may implement it in the future just for fun, but as another way of distributing content, I dunno. So we're going to maintain the present course and keep it all here on Patreon~
'But what if you really liked the direction the Lucy comic was going? D: Does that mean I'll stop doing that type of more risqué art?' Well... ye. Nonconsensual acts (like groping on unwilling partners) has no place on Patreon. It's best to adhere to Patreon's community guidelines because I have no intention of biting the hand that feeds me XO. They've provided a platform for me to get support from all you lovely folks, and I super appreciate that and all of you for helping me do all of this! ; v ; To clarify, I'll still be making the same content you've enjoyed for years on DA and such, but the Lucy draw was one instance where I feel I may have drifted a bit too far into noncon territory :O I just need to be mindful and careful not to depict or imply anything bad in the future~
However, since I know I have an audience who's into that more risqué content, I'm thinking of other ways to allow for that to continue separate from Patreon.
Since Patreon allows me to send private messages in bulk (and can even send them based on which tier you're part of), it may be possible for me to send dropbox links to y'all without making an actual post on Patreon~ It may be risky since I'm still using this platform to distribute that content, but I'm all up for suggestions if you're part of this audience!
And if you have your own experiences with Patreon's Trust and Safety team you feel I should know, or feel I may have overlooked something, or just have some general questions or comments, feel free to leave 'em below! I'd love to hear from ya~
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Moving on to something a lil more lighthearted, I wanted to share a couple plans for later down the road and the near-future~
During our first Fan Art Poll, I decided to also draw the OC with the most votes to celebrate the launch of this page. In the future, I think it would be fun to give OC's their own Fan Art Poll to allow for other OC's to shine, because tbh, it is very difficult for OC's to win against characters like Momo and Ruby... Maybe I could implement the OC Fan Art Poll if we hit the next goal?~ :0
And they'll probably be drawn in the same cel-shaded, simple-background style I've been doing recently since my usual shading style takes a loooooooooong time to finish... = v = I don't wanna die haha but ye! It's an idea~
This next one is for you Honorary Omnivoyant specifically~ Over the past few months, I've been writing down ideas for the first bondage-centric comic I wanna do that you'll all have access to as I work on it, and I wanted to share a couple potential ideas and get your take on 'em X3c I'll probably make another post later this month giving a synopsis~ Oh and on that same post, I may also take ideas for the first pic pack you'll have access to as well XP I like having y'all involved for certain things like this hehe
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To finish off, I just wanted to say thank you everyone so so much for supporting me on here~
I've had pretty bad self-esteem issues since I was little, and seeing the art I work so hard on being reposted and redistributed just puts me in such bad emotional and mental states... but witnessing all of your generous support and encouragement pulls me back and fills me with such gratitude that words really can't express. I do love drawing, but as much as I'm doing it for my own enjoyment, I'm also doing it for all of you. So thank you for sticking with me and for being such great folks~ ; v ;/
That's all for now~ It's very early in the morning.. = v=/ haha so forgive me if there's any typos or if some things aren't clear. I'm sleppy XP Again, feel free to ask any questions or comment below~
Anyways, thank you all once again!
-Magnolia
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tl;dr No Magnolia Discord server for the time being, we'll be staying on this platform but will be careful not to break Patreon's community guidelines (big one being to avoid depicting or implying any noncon sexual acts). Still considering alternatives to allow for the continuation of noncon risqué draws like the Lucy one. I'm also considering an OC Fan Art Poll once we hit the next Patreon goal and I have a couple things to share with Honorary Omnivoyant later this month. And lastly, thank you very much for all your support and encouragement :3 Y'all are a big reason why I do this~
Comments
willl sargent
Can I ask you something while I have your attention?
Blitz
It's been my pleasure for all these years and honestly, it feels good not having to hide behind an alternate account on deviantart just because I'm too afraid of what people will say on my interests... getting rid of TornadoOfFire for the sake of supporting one of my all time favourite artists feels so good ;w; <3 And even if these art pieces are far and few between, I truly believe no good artist should have their skills restrained based on somebody's bad intensions. So if you wanna do noncon in the future, I hope my suggestions helps you do it risk-free because you really a good person and should do whatever you feel like <3
Magnolia Ducky
; v ;/ Thank you Dioooooo~ Always appreciate your huge amount of support over these years!~
Magnolia Ducky
Thanks Breadi~ And thanks for da cookie too :3c
Magnolia Ducky
; w ;/ Thank you Fliiiiip~ And ye I'll be sure to X3c I was okay with drawing the Lucy draw, but I think Patreon would see that as pushing it X0 uwa
Magnolia Ducky
Thanks Imota! I liked the Lucy pic too!~ But I may have gone into the realm of what Patreon deems not okay, so I just have to be careful with that stuff from now on~ And thanks for supporting me all through this too ; w ;/
Magnolia Ducky
Thanks Jaybee~ It kinda drives me crazy when I don't know the reasons behind suspensions and bans cuz then I don't know how to avoid those myself Dx Wanted to share my findings and such :3 And those are some fun ideas :3c hehe It would be fun to see that hmm~ X3 But thanks for sticking with me through all this~ The amount of support I get from you guys is just too wonderful ; w ;
Magnolia Ducky
; U ;7
Magnolia Ducky
Nah it's all pretty justified~ I just need to try to adhere to Patreon's guidelines while I'm on here. And the OmniV story will remain unchanged and will keep progressing as normal~
Magnolia Ducky
Lil secret, I actually stayed up to write all of this~ = v =/ Part of the reason I was so tired eheh But thanks for supporting me for so long! ; w ;/ And ye I'm totally okay with drawing noncon like I did the Lucy draw~ It's just that Patreon's not okay with it so if I can avoid it while using their platform, that'd be for the best. Those draws are pretty few and far between tho (I think the Lucy draw and that Hiromi draw on pixiv are the two main ones that fall under this category) so it's not like it changes my entire focus of DiD art. But still~ And hey those are some good ideas! :0 And I didn't know MEGA did that too!~ I'll keep all of these in mind! Thank ya!! :3c
Magnolia Ducky
While those kinds of draws were few and far between, I know I have an audience for them... I'll figure out a way to continue those somehow since they do make for some fun scenarios. I'm sorry this route I'm taking isn't ideal for you :/
Magnolia Ducky
Thanks boi ; w ;/
Abruptlee
Deviantart still has the art-piece in question by Skelebomb plus all their old work with the same situations and worse. I'm cool with you posting the full Lucy comic there, and maybe creating a few new panels showing Natsu (or her summon who's into bondage) rescuing her.
Bryan Holland
I don't have any ideas but i can say that you've been doing great but don't give up hope also have you heard of an artist named articbleu?
Thatguyknownasdio
Everything you've posted regarding the crackdown makes total sense and I would rather see a healthy Mag potat rather than a baked potat! By all means, I would love to see you here for a long time to come so do what you need to do to stay safe! I also love the idea for the OC fan art but, please, don't dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! No one wants a deaded Mag! Sorry to hear of the self-esteem issues. That's so hard to believe but that's coming from an outside obvs :) Just know that you help bring a smile to all our faces with your sweet and cute personality! You're more than just sexy bondage drawing fodder. You're Magnolianimous <3
BreadiBox
Well, I presume that most of the patrons on here came from DA anyways so, it isn’t going to accumulate a huge loss with your decisions (Even though I do acknowledge that some folks here do appreciate the more risqué artworks but legal stuff~ ☹). Personally speaking, eh… Just play it out to how you feel the most comfortable with instead of tempting fate… to reduce the amount of paranoia … Objectively speaking, I do agree with not biting hand that feeds, satisfying the majority would be the most sensible choice, imo. >.> As for the other things in the post, they sound good… like the OC Fan Art Pool (even though I don’t really suggest much in those :/ my creativity sparks so much) … You’ll be fine, just keep whatever motivates the cookie-engine in the little Maggy Brain… (🍪)
Stelladess
I think ive said it before but i can be bad at expressing my thoughts so... well your my favorite artist, gonna keep going unless i cant for some reason, just make sure you dont make art that you are uncomfortable with~ your awesome~ also glad its becoming more clear what the do and do not are on patreon~!
Imota
Just my take on this: don’t beat yourself up over the Lucy pic, your patrons really loved it! And you didn’t do anything wrong by drawing it, pushing boundaries as long as comfortable with yourself is good, just because patreon might not accept it, doesn’t mean it’s inherently wrong. I’ll keep supporting you no matter what, your a very community involved artist and I love that, but don’t sell yourself short on being awesome.
FullMetalPanicAttack
Lets keep the Maggy hype train going! Wooo!
That can be true sometimes, but such reposters essentially just see DiD artists as robots churning out content to be accessed freely. And of course that could encourage others to do the same thing...it's a real screwed-up situation to be sure.
Oh yeah, I remember that "For Sale" pic by that DiD artist. Probably would've helped to have an "artist does not condone non-consensual acts, fantasy only"-esque caption, but that's just in retrospect. And as annoying as it can be for Patreon to jump on anything that seems to suggest the promotion of non-consent, I understand the legal reasons behind it; you did a great job making the effort to research and review the reasons behind the site's actions. I do look forward to seeing how your OC fanart polls and bondage-centric comic turn out, they sound like really fun ideas that you could get extra creative with. Hell you could even add in elements that downplay non-consent aspects of bondage (like a character kicking her enemies around while her arms are tied and her mouth is gagged); little things like that which could place a "damsel in distress" into an empowering and badass role...talk about turning tables and heads! I want to keep the rest of this message short (so as not to take up too much of your time), so here's the main point of my mini a.m. ramble: whatever choices you make for your future artworks...whether b/c of Patreon regulations, or your own goals, or you just wanting to try out new things in your drawings...I'll be glad to support you. It seems like a hell for DiD artists to have to jump through so many hoops to keep making what they love here, but you're clearly not willing to give up easily; if that level of dedication isn't worth supporting, I dunno what is.
GamingElement
About the reposting of your art, I'm not defending it, but people don't usually repost bad art y'know? ;)
willl sargent
I'm sorry to hear you feel like your work is under unfair scrutiny. And just out of curiosity, what does all this mean for your Omnivoyant story?
Blitz
I'm shocked at how well you wrote this and didn't make any typos considering you did it as soon as you woke up xD I wouldn't be able to write my own name this early ooof So I'm glad you were able to gather your thoughts and I'm even more glad that we are letting you draw things you are passionate about and make some form of a living off of it! I wish we could stop people from redistributing your art... but hopefully our emotional support eases this for you! <3 And hope your bro had a fun bday! :3 ALSO I've been here since 2016 (As TornadoOfFire lel) and I don't plan on leaving! :D As for the noncon art... I do have a suggestion for now; I know Patreon itself isn't okay with this type of art, and they probably would crack down concentual art if given a chance, but.. do you, Mag yes you, feel okay about drawing noncon art in the first place? Because if you don't then this wouldn't make sense... but if you WANT to be pursing this and would keep going in that direction if you didn't have pressure on ya, then there is one possibility: You could make this type of art exclusive to a non-basic tier, or whatever tier you feel it would make financial sense to make, i.e., not a waste of time, and also where there are fewer people to disturibute said art to. To avoid Patreon all together, you could just send a Droplink link to a bunch of people at once in an email once a month. This way you don't go through Patreon and maybe upset them 'cus it's a simple email. Btw there is another cloud service called MEGA that encrypts everything so yeah just a suggestion :P
Drewmlin
Not gonna lie. This is a pretty massive bummer for me I 100% understand your decision, but I really was a big fan of that sort of content, and am not too thrilled to see it go 😰 And since you've decided not to do the discord for now, that makes me feel more inclined to wait for an alternative solution Sorry Mags, I know it's out of your hands, but I'm gonna be hiking down my patreon pledge for the the time being. At least until something changes >_<
Reixi2525
Supporting the Magmag since 2016, never gonna stop ヽ(・∀・)ﾉ
