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Mind Games - Chapter 10

🕑 Added 2024-12-29 10:24:04 +0000 UTC

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Slayer Anderson

While I see where you're coming from in considering the members of the Todoroki family, traumatized as they all are, to be unreliable narrators to some degree, I also think that interpretation complicates the narrative unnecessarily and, personally, just prefer to take them at their word. Even taking into account that the marriage appeared happy from what little we're shown, these kinds of deep issues don't just appear suddenly and without warning. In my opinion, it's less likely that the family was 'happy' and more likely that it was 'functional' instead. The difference being that the first consists of authentic feelings of love an affection and the second is simply the *lack* of overt manifestations of negative feelings or abuse. IE: How bad the family got *later* made it look better by comparison, combined with rose-tinted nostalgia. Regardless of whether or not Endeavor 'purchased a young woman for his eugenics experiment' or 'followed traditional practices by paying a large dowry as befit his high station in society,' this particular point of canon is irrelevant to Mind Games as Endeavor is a very different person.

Jeffrey Gassenheimer

Endeavor not having literally purchased his wife does not make him a better person, from everything we see in the story, the family was happy in the early years of their marriage, until Shouto was born and he stopped training Touya. But that doesn’t change the fact that he defintely did all the child and spousal abuse, while he was holding a position of power and authority over others in law enforcement. A policeman beating their wife doesn’t suddenly become okay because she consented to the marriage, and the accusation that she didn’t when by all appearances she did, just drags attention away from the things he *definitely did do*

Jeffrey Gassenheimer

It is true that he does say that, but at the same time, he also says that after Touya is dead, Rei is in the hospital for scarring Shouto, and Shouto himself is doing teenage rebellion, and people are already on the news immediately after the actual PLE arc talking about how Endeavor can’t replace All Might. I think it’s fair for him to look back on his life and see only “I could never measure up to you”, but I find it ridiculous for 20 YO Enji to believe that, because it’s silly. I also stand by “All Might was Number 1 in Japan when Enji became number 2” because unless you’re going to actually do something with that extra character who vanished from everyone’s memory never to be seen or mentioned again, they just clutter up the narrative between Enji and Toshi

Slayer Anderson

Okay, had to do a deep dive into the material myself and verify that, but you're right. There's no direct statement as regards what age All Might is beyond his statement that he's (at least) 50 during the final battle. Putting that aside, though, the conversation that Endeavor & All Might share during Shoto's make-up provisional license exam (the stupid one with the children), Endeavor himself explicitly states that, "when [he] was twenty, [he] had already climbed to the number two spot, and because [he] had climbed that far, [he] understood it almost immediately. That [he] would never be able to reach the summit." If we put aside the notion that All Might only became the object of Enji's obsession later, after he returned, then it follows that someone else occupied the position that also outclassed Enji himself as well. But the core assertion that Endeavor realized he couldn't take the number one spot and the implication that he got started on his quirk marriage/eugenics projects/children out of that realization, essentially comes out of the man's own mouth..

Jeffrey Gassenheimer

I’ve seen that cited in several places on the internet, but never with a chapter citation. I just went and re-read the entire liscence exam arc on the Jump app, that fact does not appear. In addition, we are later told that all might held ofa for 40 years and we know he was at least a middle schooler (early teens) when he recieved it, making him a minimum of 50 at canon start, but likely older. We know from a character book that Enji is 45 at canon start.

Slayer Anderson

IIRC it was brought up during their conversation while the kids were taking the Licensing Exam.

Slayer Anderson

All Might is only three years older than Endeavor. He was a third year UA student when Endeavor just started at the school.

Jeffrey Gassenheimer

That also doesn't fit the timeline. All might is a Minimum of 10 years older than Enji (55+ to 45, according to the wiki). That means you're asserting that All might only returned to japan at age 30, and his "age of peace" only lasted 20 years, which doesn't really fit the narrative. All Might should be the number 1 hero in Japan *before* Endeavor starts out.

Slayer Anderson

While you do make a compelling case for there being a messy timeline, I propose an alternative explanation. Two years after his meteoric rise from graduation into the Top 10, Todoroki Enji was on top of the world. He was at the crest of his power and ready to take the #1 slot. Then All Might returned from America. Not the All Might of My Hero Academia. This was All Might in his *prime.* All Might when his rising level of experience met the crest of his own personal physical prime. This was an All Might that was as close to a physical GOD as the world had ever seen. For a man who'd been at the top of the world, suddenly learning that there was a mountain he could *never* hope to surmount... It turned made all of the success so far taste like ash. All Might *broke* Todoroki Enji simply by existing and turned him into a man who was so desperate that he'd do *anything* to salvage some meager victory from the jaws of defeat.

Jeffrey Gassenheimer

I don't disagree with what you've said about quirk marriages existing in general, but for Endeavor specifically, I feel compelled to point out that arranging a quirk marriage, even one not involving a dozen lawyers, cannot possibly be a quick and easy Process. And yet Endeavor *apparently* graduated hero high school at 18, started climbing the ranks and doing the pro hero thing, and hit second in all of Japan TWO YEARS LATER at age 20. The fastest climb of anyone ever at the time, before Hawks (because AM went to college in America and did something of a start over there). At that point, *supposedly* he immediately gave up on ever reaching the number one slot himself, married Rei and started work on producing a successor. We know that Fuyumi is only one year younger than Touya, so it is *impossible* that he knew that Touya "wasn't good enough" yet, because Endeavor raised him with that goal for years before giving up on him because of his Quirk (which probably wasn't even there when Fuyumi was conceived) and in fact, only tried to get Touya to try to give up on Hero training truly when Shouto was born. And Touya was *seven* The Timeline is so fucking messy, and all you have to do to resolve it is to say that the marriage (in canon) was a normal fucking marriage, Shouto was wrong, and the "Surpass All Might" obsession came later.

Slayer Anderson

I feel compelled to point out that, IRL, we didn't turn away from eugenics and breeding programs in humans because they didn't work, at least to some degree. We turned away from them because they were a monstrous affront to morality, ethics, and human rights. Regardless of whether you consider Shoto an unreliable narrator (plausible), it's also entirely plausible for 'quirk marriages' to be a thing. Even a popular one among certain groups, like the Creature Rejectionist Clan who despise mutant-type quirks. Hero VS Villain is, in some ways, a biological arms race to develop new and more powerful 'weapons' to secure the battlefield. With a canonical societal collapse, people almost certainly got very desperate at one point. As far as the details of Endeavor's personal life, nothing in canon directly contradicts Shoto's version of events. This is one reason this story is set in an AU. I don't have to mindlessly accept MHA as gospel for the setting. I can do what I want.

Slayer Anderson

I'm actually going to be mixing up the classes for UA. We're going off the rails. I also have things planned for Toru. Hopefully they'll be interesting.

Slayer Anderson

Keep in mind that the experience we receive through class 1-A/1-B is extremely atypical. Internships are quite literally supposed to be a combination of boring office work and a few walks around town with your mentor hero under the guise of 'patrols.' Hero students aren't actually supposed to engage in any form of real quirk use or active heroics against villains during that time. The problem is that the MHA narrative doesn't present us with a normal experience under this system, which warps our view of what's expected for our characters to undergo. The work-study programs weren't even supposed to be *offered* to Izuku & Co. An exception was made for them to get their provisional licenses a year early, which was the only reason they could perform any active heroics, something that work-study required. What we see is way, way out of the ordinary.

Bob Saget

Hard disagreement. To demonstrate, look at the internships. Even in 'sink or swim' Japan, fifteen year olds with minimal formal training/accreditation are not going to apprentice under law enforcement actively engaging in tactical combat with violent criminals. In real life, a legal adult needs months of specialized training, education, and tests just to be allowed as a supervised lowest-level trainee EMT. Something with lower stakes and a much lower skill ceiling. Hero specialization highschools make sense in the context that they can lead to internships post-graduation. Or that they lead up to heroic collegiate institutions that have lots of practical hands-on work, with different courses for different 'types' of heroes (rescue, medical, investigative, etc.).

Jeffrey Gassenheimer

I’ve always thought that the quirk marriage part of endeavor’s backstory is so stupid. It makes sense for Shoto to believe, but Endeavor was 20, and we don’t have any evidence he “purchased” Rei, and by all accounts they were happy together in the beginning.

Zerak

This is why you gotta check your phone when you want to sleep, a single email or notification, can mess up your sleep and make you alert for a few hours. As an exalted can he see Toru? Also I wonder if he can learn anything from Koji? He has Psychic Talent, and they both use voice command related powers so there is a lot of overlap. And it is a very easy thing to pretend was the result of him pushing his power. Is there really a difference between digital and vinyl record? I have never listened to one.

Anonymous Daniel

Well toga being a rip and tear enthusiast is on point. Should probably lying introduce her to some games like DOOM at some point. Based off of the hints you've been laying down Toga appears to be developing a solid connection with the MC in the future. Really looking forward to that. Toga has been highjacking this story and I love it!

Slayer Anderson

Japanese cultural norms being what they are, UA makes much more sense as a high school rather than a college. High schools in Japan have reputations for specializing in certain fields and feeding into your career choice that you'll receive further training for in whatever college you go to. Combining that with Japanese views on the independence of children, and UA makes a lot more sense as a high school. Granted, there's likely some level of youthful shounen hero in the mix for the genre, but that's more do to the cultural norms above.

Bob Saget

Ah right, with some of the other changes and how mature the MC is, I forget UA is still a highschool in this fic. It definitely makes more sense as a college, and was probably changed to a highschool due to editors wanting it to be more traditionally 'shounen'. But I suppose the MC was aiming for a 'near canon' timeline even if what he got was an eldritch mess. I wonder how much his initial plans are going to have to keep changing and adapting with all this BS regularly blindsiding him.


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