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Cultivating depth and stillness in research

🕑 Added 2022-11-30 21:37:04 +0000 UTC

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Andy Matuschak

Ah: there's no "random" setting, but the actual implementation, when combined with the proclivities of iOS's notification system, makes it "effectively" random.

Kronopath

I bought the Tracker app out of curiosity, but it doesn’t seem to have any settings that allow for the notifications to happen randomly. Instead, the settings suggest that it samples at fixed intervals, e.g. 3 hours apart. Is there a “random” setting I’m missing somewhere?

Andy Matuschak

Ah, I see—very interesting!

I think I'm projecting onto this a bit since I've been thinking a lot about this this past week, but I'll try to explain. This is a criticism only of a specific subset of the EA community that I'm most often around recently. Specifically young and new EAs who are associated with the Bay Area rationalists and very focused on AI safety. I think there are harmful social dynamics in this sub-group that lead people to do whatever seems most valued in this sub-group, rather than what people would genuinely bet on being most impactful. This is especially concerning to me around people trying to move as fast as possible and take EA principles as literally as possible. Holden Karnofsky has a great post on the harms of this called "Maximization is perilous" https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/T975ydo3mx8onH3iS/ea-is-about-maximization-and-maximization-is-perilous. "You’re utterly habituated to steady progress—to completing things, to producing, to solving" Many of these students or recent grads are trying to get into AI safety as fast as possible, but don't often question the many assumptions (at least 3) which could flip their work from being the best thing they could do, to being not impactful or the worst thing they could do. Most of these people I talk to would say they're very uncertain about these questions, but ignore this uncertainty because it feels intractable. It's more motivating and easier to just work on a problem that someone else supports, rather than truly figuring out if you think it's the right thing to be working on. For example, some of my friends claim that they are longtermist, and so focus on AI safety, but there is extremely high uncertainty in the EA movement about whether we should expect the long-run future to be of positive value in the first place. (But there are of course other good reasons for working on AI safety). I see this as a form of "redirect[ing] your attention to something safer, to something you can do." I see these students working on these things because it has the stamp of approval from 80,000 Hours and EA thought leaders. I think this is combined with the implicit assumption that those people and groups are qualitatively smarter than others and that students' goal should be to get up to speed on the thought leaders' thinking, rather than trying to figure things out for themselves (even though figuring things out for yourself is explicitly emphasized quite strongly). This is especially hard to avoid for students and myself in the past because this is how they've related to knowledge through traditional schooling their entire lives. I have a few friends who I think are doing really great AI safety work, but most of the conversation and discussion I hear and see around AI safety feels more similar to "obsess[ing] over tractable but peripheral details." But again this subgroup is quite small in terms of the movement as a whole and selects for the EAs who are most extreme along the dimensions I'm describing. Overall there's a reason I'm still so involved in the community, and I think that most of the actual work it produces is quite impressive and important.

Andy Matuschak

Thanks for this nice note! I'm curious—I'm adjacent to a lot of EA folks, but I don't understand it enough to see why that paragraph's a criticism of EA. Could you unpack your observation?

I appreciate you pointing out that you don't expect your strategies to generalize. It's so easy for someone to read something like this and see "oh I just need to do what Andy does to be similarly productive" when I think the real lesson is "oh wow, Andy's put a lot of time, thought, attention and iteration into this and I probably need to do the same if I want to figure out how this works for myself". --- Also, this paragraph could be read as a cutting and accurate criticism of many parts of Effective Altruism. Kinda blew my mind. “Why is this so hard? Because you’re utterly habituated to steady progress—to completing things, to producing, to solving. When progress is subtle or slow, when there’s no clear way to proceed, you flinch away. You redirect your attention to something safer, to something you can do. You jump to implementation prematurely; you feel a compulsion to do more background reading; you obsess over tractable but peripheral details. These are all displacement behaviors, ways of not sitting with the problem. Though each instance seems insignificant, the cumulative effect is that your stare rarely rests on the fog long enough to penetrate it. Weeks pass, with apparent motion, yet you’re just spinning in place. You return to the surface with each glance away. You must learn to remain in the depths.”

Can Sar

I also really loved this. It explained some of my past challenges in “creative” thinking work that I perceived but couldn’t quite explain as well. More prosaically: I’ve been doing disconnected mornings for a while and this helped me get back to being a bit more strict about my implementation. I’ve also noticed my post lunch focus dropping off for a few hours (picking up again around 3) and pushing my lunch break later has really helped me stay in the zone this week.

Andy Matuschak

Thanks, Rik! I started programming when I was a kid, and built a lot of open source as a teenager and in college. I joined Apple to work on iOS around iOS 3. There was a lot of novel interface stuff happening at the time. I was always excited to implement it (as an engineer); after a year or two, I started pushing to work on projects (like the 3D parallax effect and various touch gestures) which can only be designed in collaboration with a technologist. I spent a few years sitting next to designers in that role, iterating on designs together. Over time, I started making more suggestions of my own. Then I moved to Khan Academy with May-Li Khoe, my Apple colleague and a designer ~10 years my senior. My role there was more explicitly about design-oriented invention. May-Li was my collaborator and provided a whole lot of mentorship about design (and design research) for a few years there.

Andy Matuschak

Thanks for this very kind comment, Joel. IFS has been really helpful for me too! (and please feel free to share this with your students insofar as that might be helpful)

It's always fascinating to see people's working process, and a good form of input for my own. I'm not nearly as structured and experimental about it though. I have a tangentially related question: you mention programming was your entire job a long time ago. How did you get from there to here? Where and how did you pick up your design skills?

Joel Chan

Andy, this is such a beautiful reflection. I'm so grateful you shared it! SO much in here resonates, but particularly the bit about curiosity completely changing the frame in response to "flinching" triggers. I try my best to cultivate this now in myself and in my students. The difference between the playful, deeply motivating reaction from a deeply curious state (WHOA that is SO interesting!! what's going on????) vs. the deep drop in my gut when I'm in a task-oriented state (OH NO the experiment didn't work, there goes my paper) is so palpable and precious. I'll also add that what has worked well for me is IFS and other emotion-focused work, to increase my sense of baseline safety and avoid fusing my identity and self-worth completely with my "performance" on the creative tasks. I still care a LOT, but it's a different sort of care in my best moments (again, back to curiosity, which can sometimes feel unpleasant in an itch or pissed off sort of way, but still v. different in flavor than a task-oriented treadmill orientation).


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