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Architectures for a more flexible mnemonic medium

🕑 Added 2021-10-01 06:02:39 +0000 UTC

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Andy Matuschak

Yes, I'd love to do that. I'm also very interested in e.g. schedules to guide my piano practice (both in terms of technical exercises and also practicing repertoire, each of which have their own unusual scheduling considerations), and schedules focused on *immediate* access (e.g. which depend on your response time). Not sure if/when I'll have capacity to explore this…

Andy Matuschak

I think this comment is pointing at something really important. I have many of the same reactions to digital reading. And I’m really worried about this because, as you point out galaxy-brain-style, my ideas depend on digital reading! This is a problem! https://notes.andymatuschak.org/Reading_texts_on_computers_is_unpleasant I have some sketches around using a phone as an adjunct interface while reading to access prompts, perhaps in an AR-y type way, but they’re honestly quite unsatisfying. Perhaps with some more brainstorming…

It seems like there is a lot of potential for “self-modifying” algorithms besides SR. You allude to one example above, Gwern explored “anti-SR” algorithm optimized for creativity (https://www.gwern.net/Statistical-notes#program-for-non-spaced-repetition-review-of-past-written-materials-for-serendipity-rediscovery-archive-revisiter), i can imagine short-term SR algorithms optimized for remembering up until a certain date/deadline, maybe algorithms that “collide” prompts from other people. Curious if you forsee Orbit becoming a platform to explore other types of algorithms based around programmable attention?

Andrew Sutherland

This is kind of funny: My primary habit for reading has become all paper-based. I simply print anything longer than ~5 pages. When patreon emails me saying "New Andy writing just dropped" I have a habit of printing it out, leaving it on a coffee table, and arriving back to it when I walk by the physical object of the paper at an opportune moment. So I was reading this whole thing with ironic amusement, pen out to write margin notes I could synthesize into a response on this website. I think I do all this because I've determined that operating systems and computers today are such distraction machines that it's too easy to wander away, even on something well-written and interesting. A sad state of affairs... Anyway, texts prepackaged with margin-notes are both rare and quite lovely. When you find a book with annotations at a used book store, you're like, wow I appreciate whoever this person was. The gdoc-ish design with a permanent margin feels most right to me, if you can get the interaction design nice such that it feels fun and inviting and not enterprise-y. Letting the user prompt themselves anywhere, and hiding the author prompts behind a sigil (perhaps with a count indicated) might help the user feel like they're inviting the author to prompt them, rather than it feeling forced upon them. The more galaxy-brain me wonders if a dynamic website medium is at a permanent deficit. That would be really disappointing, huh? I read this print-out more closely sitting on my bed with a pen. Remarkable and the rest still feel far from paper to me. The two-phased approach of reading solo, then wandering back to the interactivity of Patreon and the web, as I'm doing now to write this comment, feels deeper. Perhaps an AR headset watching me read and giving me prompts could do the trick, or a VR headset with a paper-like reading experience...

Andy Matuschak

Thank you for this thoughtful comment, Nicky! I've experimented with implementation intention-style prompts before, too, and I too find them tantalizing. Like you, I've had trouble making them "stick", but I suspect there's some exciting possibility there. I keep coming back to this passage from "How to write good prompts": "No matter the application, it’s helpful to remember that when you write a prompt in a spaced repetition system, you are giving your future self a recurring task. Prompt design is task design." It does seem really exciting! Missing from the design notes I've shared here are ideas for authoring the scheduling properties of tasks. Like, the "real-world action prompts" probably shouldn't follow the same pattern as memory prompts. They're their own thing.

Nicky Case

I really like the solution of showing the list view *by default*! That definitely frames it more strongly as "this is an opt-in tool for you to choose what to install into your long-term self" rather than "pop quiz, you're back in school". It also cleverly makes editing/deleting/adding new prompts all part of the same thing, no "modes". (I really, really wished I could edit & par down Chapman's cards) Also, I like how your updates constantly refer to these things as "prompts", not "cards". That hints at something more fundamental. Traditional SR cards install declarative-knowledge facts, but QCVC Chap 1 also installed higher-level declarative knowledge, and QCVC Chap 4 had application prompts that change each time, to install *procedural* knowledge. Recently, I've been using my Spaced Repetition deck to install "when-then plans" into myself. (also called Implementation Intentions in the psych lit, or Trigger-Action Plans on lesswrong) I've tried doing so before but it failed, but *this* time my cards aren't just recall: they explicitly tell me to *actually do the action in real life* before I can look at the new card. (e.g. "go find something that's not in its proper place & put it back where it belongs") It's a real-world action prompt, and it's working so far! I admire your search for the "elemental primitive", the core *insight* that Orbit should orbit around. I think it might be what Aristotle said (paraphrased): "We are what we repeatedly do." What traditional SR cards, Orbit's application prompts, my when-then plans, habit trackers, gratitude diaries, etc all seem to have it common is "you can INTENTIONALLY modify your future self's memory/habits/values with repetition." [Trying to figure out what the point of my ramble was] I guess what I'm saying is, I'm starting to see SR / Orbit as not "just" a tool for thought, but potentially a more general tool for *self-modification*, the "elemental primitive" being a prompt -- for recalling a declarative fact, for applying a procedure, for doing a real-world action, etc -- repeated over time, to install something into future you. ...I hope that was helpful or at least interesting, and not, like, a temptation to over-scope or asylum-wall-scribble-style ramble.


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