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Finding research–context fit

🕑 Added 2021-05-20 23:10:06 +0000 UTC

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Eric 'Siggy'

Another off-the-cuff idea: corporate trainings. Not the most exciting domain, but companies are often looking for measurable changes in knowledge or behaviors based on trainings. The RQ could be: does a mnemonic training outperform traditional trainings when surveys are used to test employee knowledge a year later? Or in terms of some measurable behavior improvement across the org?

Andy Matuschak

Thank you for these very generative ideas, Mickey! Authoring tools have indeed been a great venue for tools for thought, I think—stretching all the way back to Sutherland's Sketchpad. The idea of augmenting screencasts to create an accelerated communications medium is really fascinating to me, and makes me also wonder about augmenting Twitch. Business consultancies do seem like a solid potential context. I spoke with a former BCG-er, and his concern was that most consultants are only interested in getting "up to speed" enough to finish the project, and that they're not interested in long-term fluency. But I should probably get some more data points there! Your suggestion about coaching makes me wonder about the value of "take-aways." A beloved former piano teacher asked me to write a summary of each lesson after we met, then to email it to him for comments. He'd elaborate, emphasize, or correct my summaries as necessary. I could imagine augmenting that with a mechanism to make sure that the takeaways really stayed with me…

Andy Matuschak

I'm an amateur student of Buddhism, so I may be totally off base here, but when I think about augmenting the learning process in that domain, I imagine that retention is useful and important, but rarely the limiting factor for aspirants. In my own limited experience, progress has mostly come through sudden insights, often prompted by a teacher phrasing some instruction just slightly differently, so that things click. If I were building a system in this space, I'd want to understand that better and try to use the ritual of meditation practice as a "delivery vehicle" in a similar manner to SRS sessions.

Andy Matuschak

Thank you! These are both great posts. I've read the DARPA project reports, and it's an interesting continuation of much past work on intelligent tutoring systems, a related and promising (though historically somewhat fraught) field. I enjoyed reading the teacher's piece, including all the details about the challenges of making new systems work in practice. Those conclusions are consistent with my sense of formal educational environments, but I believe they're quite different from self-motivated learning (i.e. for some project or meaningful application).

Andy Matuschak

Thanks—I totally agree! This is a potentially incredibly powerful application for the medium. One of the things I have to keep straight for myself as I think about this stuff is the distinction between prospects for applications of the medium vs. prospects for answering research questions about the medium. For example, I think this is a potentially very exciting context for application, but boy would it be hard for me to use it to answer my current research questions (I think!). Instead of understanding the relationship between retention and understanding in the context of one book, I'd have to shoot for "coverage" of a large span of material, then understand how that holistically enables… I hope we get there!

This post makes a lot of sense! Essentially, tools are probably best developed in the context of difficult real world problems. And part of the trick is to pick a few promising such difficult problems. Ideally, a few things could be tried. For example one that focuses more on memorization, a a different one which focuses more on understanding.

I like this framing and feel it viscerally at times in similar soul crushing ways. That said it makes me wonder where I’ve found research context fit. Below are some examples and I wonder how you’d analyze them for your work. It’d help me zero in on where you think fruitful soil might be found. When you’re working in CAD (my experiences at Autodesk) a project arrives to your consultancy or team (build a new campus, build a bioflame camp stove, or the new sequel to Avatar, etc), you likely won’t the work from your portfolio but there are new aspects you or your team members have to (and or want to) get up to speed fast on. Autocad (the classic monster) has over 1500 tools in the 2019 edition. The combination of the tools into tool flows can make or break whether you end up with an efficient and or creative or build able solution. If you’ve ever used photoshop, Alias Maya is like that tool times a million. It is overwhelming. So I wonder if classic (rich) authoring tools would be a good venue for tools for thought. Autodesk research has done a significant amount of work in this area however I don’t recall anything like orbit or spaced repetition. The screencast utility (formerly project chronicle) is used by CAD users to do peer learning. Make a screencast and share (it captures telemetry like mouse clicked, construction history, tool frame in use etc far beyond screen scraping). I wonder if that would be a useful medium. Another example (one I am considering trying orbit in but haven’t made progress yet) is onboard if new BCG employees explicitly about an emerging practice area that looks at the lowering barriers of atoms, bits, minds, and joules. These new hires may be thrown into projects where they are doing an analysis or building a pitch or being a contributing member to a multi week collaborative session with sponsoring orgs, scientists, designers, business analysts, startups and incumbents from classic industries. The ultimate goal might be to catalyze an ecosystem of startups, investment, and classic research or big business to move from extractive economics to generative ones (the deep tech thesis). The end users need to learn and apply their learning fairly quickly (consultancies like BCG are up or out style pressure cookers at times). That said classic hires (MBA’s) don’t cut it alone, so orgs like that are hiring scientists, designers, economists, complex system thinkers, etc. How do you help an ad hoc cognitively diverse group to learn enough about each other’s domain to extend via analogy, metaphor, etc the work and find novel pathways to pilot? I could imagine startups in that realm will also need to become more Feynman like extenders of other diverse knowledge. Lastly I think of the emerging focus on leadership and peer to peer coaching. I’ve found that helping a leader try new things and build new habits is tricky. There is a vast collection of literature and how tos, yet remembering the right framing and questions at the right time to help unlock the coachee is just plain hard work. You have to get thousands of hours of targeted practice and make sure you’re doing things that do no harm and don’t run afoul of voodoo or wishful thinking of shamanism. The learners in this case are often third chapter “students” over 55 and curious about how they take on their next role and use their lifetime of knowledge without being dogmatic.

Lovkush Agarwal

A couple of possible research avenues: DARPA digital tutor project. They created bespoke system to teach problem solving for navy engineers, apparently with great success! https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/vbWBJGWyWyKyoxLBe/darpa-digital-tutor-four-months-to-total-technical-expertise Teacher who has experimented thoroughly with SRS in classrooms. Current opinion is it best for memorising vocab and similar repetitive tasks, but not for conceptual stuff. (Has also moved to belief that forgetting things is not main issue in teaching in classrooms.) https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/F6ZTtBXn2cFLmWPdM/seven-years-of-spaced-repetition-software-in-the-classroom-1

Eric 'Siggy'

Beautifully articulated---having spent much of this year struggling with "research-context fit" in my own work, I can really relate. One factor I think you've glossed over in the prospective contexts is *speed*. If Quantum-Country-like resources were available for all the topics that become briefly relevant to me during my daily technical work before I have to move on to a new task (ex. radar fundamentals, Kalman filters, Kubernetes, time series analysis, propensity score matching, etc., etc., etc.), I'd be able to learn 10x more and 10x faster on the job. Maybe that's an opportunity, rather than a burning customer "pain point," but it's still a heck of a story. My employer has nice subscriptions to giant libraries of tech books. Access isn't the problem---it's the time involved in digesting it into a form with landmarks and scaffholding that can be remembered and accumulated. People who aren't Anki-True-Believers would take convincing, but if the numbers show that enhanced mediums speed up knowledge acquisition, then a whole new educational market could be born overnight. Medium matters tremendously for speed. An example in my hobby life right now is that it's easily 10x faster for me to acquire Arabic knowledge than ancient Egyptian. I'd like to pick up both for an upcoming vacation, but Arabic resources are common and high quality (just open Duolingo and hoover it up into Anki), whereas Egyptian resources are written for "scholars" with all the anti-patterns that culture brings with it (ex. 300 pages of exhaustive discourse on the minutia of nouns before getting around to how to say something trivial like "The pharoah walks fast." If I had a dollar for every so-called "textbook" that waits 10 chapters to introduce the first verb... like, what are they even thinking? So much technical writing is built on the assumption that rote memorization is good enough, with no scaffholding or conceptual links for effective prompt-writing). In one, I can make 100 new cards in an hour easy peasy. Maybe more. In the other, it takes me 30 minutes to figure out how to extract 1 memorable card from a confused and challenging table or exercise. We're talking a legit 50-fold difference. That's arguably the same as the difference between Quantum Country and a typical technical textbook.


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