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The Blank, Vacant, Dead-Eyed Cinematic Universe

🕑 Added 2019-11-05 19:11:30 +0000 UTC
The Blank, Vacant, Dead-Eyed Cinematic Universe

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Julia Elaine Gfrörer

How many times do you have to get blocked before you accept that we don't want to talk to you, John?

Gretchen Felker-Martin

John, why don't you take four years of hints and fuck off.

John Vinals

Honestly, there’s nothing you can say about Marvel that hasn’t been true about the majority of action cinema since the dawn of the medium. Pretty much every action star ever (from Douglas Fairbanks and Errol Flynn to Kit Harrington) has coasted mostly on looks rather than actual talent and most action heroes have relied more on audience projection than actual depth in their writing (literally the whole appeal of “Die Hard” was that Bruce Willis as John McClain looked average and people could project onto him). Also, let’s not pretend the military industrial stuff in the Marvel films is any more regressive or problematic than the paeans to Reagan-era machismo in “Rambo” and “Die Hard” or the celebration of Divine Right Monarchy in “Lord of the Rings” (hell, at least Marvel doesn’t portray people of colour as “lesser men” in thrall to Thanos the way LOTR does with the Haradrim and the Easterlings, and there’s no “This genetic stock is superior to this genetic stock and therefore eugenics is a good and excellent thing” stuff. Cause whatever their flaws, Marvel’s films usually don’t subscribe to White Supremacy or patriarchy/misogyny). Finally, are Asgard or Wakanda any more poorly designed or incoherent than, say, Coruscant randomly having a 1950s style diner in “Attack of the Clones”? Are they any more generic than how that same planet was just “Every sci-fi city since Blade Runner, but weirdly clean and without distinctive grit”? I’m not any kind of super Marvel stan, but they’re basically harmless and there’s no criticism of them that you can’t also make of, say, Lucas-era “Star Wars” or the original “Lord of the Rings” trilogy.

Roy

A very thoughtful and elegant tirade. I have a soft spot for these movies, since I read comics as a kid, a nostalgia that Disney exploits well. Perhaps related, I recently watched the indie film "The Rider." I read up on the director and found that she is slated to make an upcoming Marvel movie. I was happy she would be making money, but also a little sad.

Gretchen Felker-Martin

eh, I was very very bored and thought it was more of the same, though the costumes are largely much better than elsewhere. the final act is straight-up terrible.

JSJ CREATIVE

I agree with a lot of the points raised and to a degree the spirit of this piece. But Black Panther deftly avoids most of the critiques made of the MCU. That's a credit to the filmmakers from Ryan Coogler, to Ruthie Carther on Costumes, to the production design to actors like Michael B. Jordan, who's villain is one of the most compelling and tragically engaging that you'll ever find in a popcorn franchise pic.

Bear09

These are movies that bend over backwards to empathize with a genocidal despot and at *no* point refute his ideology or even vaguely critcize it. fucking toxic nonsense who would LIKE this?

Sarah F.

Kinda wondering how much we, as a culture, have Joss Whedon to blame for the last 10-15 years of neoliberal art

VitAnyaNaked

Well, I’ll probably say that I completely agree with what was said above about Disney and Marvel. You said the right thing

Gretchen Felker-Martin

so glad my yelling had an effect!

Peech

I've always had a sort of internal conflict with Marvel movies; becoming increasingly bored of them but still wanting to be in on the pop culture and spending that time with my family. Your discussion and criticism of the movies is a big part of why I've asserted my own distaste. And I don't feel like I'm going crazy for not liking the thing everyone is supposed to love.

Andrew Reeves

This is absolutely spot-on -- and I enjoy MCU films. But the thing is, when I go to a Marvel movie, I enjoy a couple of hours of spectacle, but then I quit thinking about it more or less as soon as I've stepped back into the lobby. I think a great contrast is Eva. After watching all the way through the series and EoE I was thinking about it for *months* afterward.

Gretchen Felker-Martin

You're totally okay <3

Zoe

Wonderful. Puts into words my thoughts on the series.

Anthony Jutz

I am in complete agreement with this. I've seen... maybe three of these movies, and found them so vapid that I left them frustrated by how meaningless they are. I find it intriguing, the way saying nothing can inspire the imagination of many to fill in the blanks in a way that's easy for them to digest. Just give them enough to make them think you agree with and validate them, reducing any nuance to buzzwords and emptiness, and there ya go. Edit to add: I hope I'm not being too big a dingus with this response. Weird anxiety day.


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