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Daddy, what did you do in the war?

🕑 Added 2021-07-04 20:47:21 +0000 UTC

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David Cormack

I started writing a response to the above point but I'll focus write one response to both: the point I was trying to raise was that we are holding the wrong people responsible with current settings. At the moment we promote removing plastics from supermarkets, or getting rid of plastic straws as some kind of climate change panacea, when those are just tinkering around the margins of the margins. We need to be going after those who willingly harm the environment in pursuit of profit. Because no amount of signalling anything seems to change their behaviour. All taxes/increases just get passed on to the consumer who often cannot afford the increased charges but have no choice. It's why I hate petrol taxes, they are regressive and penalise people who can least afford them. And I would have thought that "you're destroying our planet" would have been an incentive to not behave in certain ways, and yet it isn't.

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Also last time I bought a plane ticket it cost $99 and I could have offset the carbon for $24. This is just stupid: it should obviously be mandatory???

m3me_fr0g

More to the point of your post, how do you define capitalism? Personally I think it's a pretty useless word because so much political disagreement seems to come down to people arguing with others that are using different definitions for words and not realising it. To me, it's better to break it down a bit. Just say commerce: people buying and selling things for their own benefit. Just say property rights: the right to own property. Etc. I don't think I would want to live in a society where people couldn't buy and sell things for their own benefit, where people couldn't own businesses or farms or houses, etc. So I don't really see any criticism of our economic system as making any sense if it's attacking the foundational parts as it tends to be when the criticism is made of "capitalism". The economy isn't perfect, obviously, but it's much more useful to focus on concrete problems. For example, environmental harm is pretty universally agreed to harm everyone, yet the costs of that harm aren't typically borne by the people doing the harm. If you sell things you have a choice to sell it in plastic or in paper. Plastic is much cheaper. For you! It's overall more expensive, because of the cost of dealing with it as waste. But the cost of it as waste is essentially paid for by society while the cost of manufacturing is paid for by you, the vendor. Naturally you want to put food on the table so you are going to, by default, choose the option that's cheapest for you. The solution to that isn't to throw the baby out with the bathwater and redo the economy from scratch. I think it's to either outright ban the plastic bags or price the externality into the cost. A carbon excise and a rubbish & recycling excise would price the two most important externalities in. If plastic bags cost society more in the long run than paper bags do, oughtn't they be more expensive to the person making the decision whether to use them? This sends proper price signals too: the plastic bag manufacturers would have a serious incentive to develop ways to recycle or reuse plastic and to reduce the carbon impact of it, because those things cause their products to be significantly more expensive.


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