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The Three Restaurant Red Flags that Make Me Reconsider Patronizing

🕑 Added 2024-10-07 18:12:15 +0000 UTC

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David P

Nothing more refreshing than someone who respects the wider context in which everything exists. Too many people fall into the trap of "just focusing on the food" or trying to be "apolitical," and I'm always glad to see someone being real about how things are. An all white kitchen is a red flag if you think diversity is something that has inherent value! And monetizing the culture of minorities as a white guy is bad, and doesn't exist in a vacuum! It's probably representative of a lack of thoughtfulness and bad-faith that affects plenty of other things in the restaurant. But yeah, couldn't agree more.

leah

Seriously reason 152784939 why I love Kenji so much! Hit this shit on the head! Thanks for sharing this, definitely some of my own personal red flags as well. I have switched to strictly local small eateries in my area only and also check to see who owns it and how it’s being ran. Our money is power!

Joel Skoda

As somebody who started as a dishwasher, then worked up to kitchen manager over years, it hurts to read this put so succinctly. I moved to an insurance job (ugh, I know) after the pandemic shut our restaurant, and the owners left all our families with no security, then hired new staff at half the wage without even letting us know. Sad there isn't ways to clearly identify these red flags elsewhere, like how toxic a certain Gecko's CEO could make things.

Patreonus Rex

TOUCHE. I always understood "chef-driven" in this context to mean that typically in the Midwest, Chinese restaurants are more fast food and not what one would consider "gourmet". But now I realize the implication from calling something chef-driven could imply some bogus shit. This is the perspective I seek. Thank you, mon frere-- appreciate you. And as an aside, as a father of three young boys, you also seem like a killer dad which makes watching your context 10x better.

James Kenji Lopez-Alt

To answer who’s to blame, no I don’t think you’re part of the problem. Unless you keep going back 😬

James Kenji Lopez-Alt

A lot of it comes down to attribution I think. Do they acknowledge where the food comes from? Have they done their research and are they intimately familiar with the cuisine and cultures they are representing? Are they using language or branding that implies their version is somehow better or “cleaner”? The description you give here sounds like the answer is no, they are not respectful of the cuisine or people making it. What does “chef-driven” mean in this context? It implies that traditional Chinese food is *not* chef-driven. It sounds like they’re suggesting that white, western dudes are “chefs” while the actual accomplished Chinese chefs cooking Chinese food are not. That’s a pretty bad choice of language that represents a pretty bad way of thinking about it. It’s similar to when Asian restaurants run by white peopme are self-described as “clean” or “healthy,” which implies that Asian-run asian restaurants are neither of those things.

Caroline Briggs

I worked as a FOH manager in corporate restaurants in the Bay Area during the early 80s. Most of them were high-end corporate concepts in high-end Bay Area shopping centers. My last (and favorite) La Cumbra, at Stanford Shopping Center served ‘Mexican’ food. Huge margaritas. Huge tostada shells. Huge burritos. Nothing that would scare anybody—it was all cloaked in a pretty coat of crema and guacamole. Sigh. Such innocence. Not so much in the bar. The old Oakland Raiders loved the bar—Jim Plunkett and his guys were there a lot in the offseason. I did have a point. Right. Even then, in that type of place, I remember weeks and weeks of opening, closing, seven days a week, week in, week out, and thinking it meant I was *good* enough. *Strong* enough. *Tough* enough. So I was 21? So I was female? I could have contempt for those who couldn’t do every job in the place, who needed time off. Punks. Years later I read Kitchen Confidential and thought ‘Yep. I should never have gotten out. This is the real deal—the real stuff.’ By that time I’d finished a doctorate and I was a Microsoft program manager, and for a while I indulged in regrets—path not taken, etc. Then I realized I still had the stuff; I just wasn’t throwing things around my kitchen as often. Both of those pursuits can be just as sexist, as exploitative, certainly as Darwinian, as the chef who throws his temper tantrums with his scallops, no matter where that chef might be hanging his hat. I think that the common thread isn’t so much about whether it’s right or wrong (Hello, HR?) but about the people who measure themselves—their talent, their toughness, their ‘tude—against the worst the boss could dish out. I can testify that it takes courage and stamina and determination to get through a PhD program, exams, and thesis defense. You gotta want it so much that you’re doing it for you and to hell with your committee. By the time I got to Microsoft in the early 90s it was still a pretty small company. BillG and SteveB were excitable guys. They were both smart as hell, and the hiring bar was very high. The culture built was one where the appropriate way to tell an employee that they had failed to produce was to jump up on a conference table and scream at them. This practice percolated downstream. Naturally. If I can make it there, I’ll make it anywhere… I know this isn’t really on topic, Kenji. But … I miss Tony Bourdain. I know too many like him, like me, that set up impossible conditions and called them ‘The best ever, dude!’ then discovered that the really bad stuff had followed us anyway. That these methods of attaining excellence have traditionally been associated with academics, with haute cuisine, with certain employers/fields, doesn’t argue that they’re good. It only suggests that they attract a certain type of person and does some of them no good at all. Thanks for reading.

Patreonus Rex

I agree with all of this, and I am wondering if you could expound upon and give me a good example of how to handle #2 delicately and thoughtfully because it is difficult for me sometimes (as a privileged white male who loves to eat) to understand where that line is-- basically, where does cultural appropriation and exploitation begin, even with good intentions? You have always been so in tune to this dynamic and it's one of the things I love about you. As an example-- Dan Jacobs, who was one of the finalists on Top Chef this year, who owns and operates a restaurant called DanDan in Milwaukee. It's a Chinese themed restaurant run by two guys named Dan and is described as bringing "chef-driven Chinese food with a midwestern sensibility to Milwaukee’s dining scene." I was able to eat there recently and it was pretty good (we were calling it really good white-dude Chinese) but we had this exact discussion at the table while dining there. Does this violate #2? And by eating there am I part of the problem? One of the things I love about living here (in the US) is that we are a country built by and completely full of immigrants, which is one of the things that makes our dining scene so amazing. But if it's at the cost of cheapening what is otherwise a culturally defining food, I don't want to be blind to or contribute to that mentality or culture. (Also, you're the best.)

Austin Levenson

Great post! Another red flag I think of a lot is a place that’s constantly hiring. It makes me think that the employees are treated horribly thus causing turnover and/or the wages being offered are not suitable enough.

James Kenji Lopez-Alt

Oh this is a good one, yes.

James Kenji Lopez-Alt

No! It was actually after seeing virtually all of these red flags at a Nashville spot that came highly recommended and deciding not to go because of them.

John Carruthers

A fun one I run into is where the chef/owner replies to even bathwater-temp. criticism on Google/Yelp/etc. with scorched earth. People who do that publicly are usually a *delight* behind closed doors with people in their employ.

J. Walter Hawkes

I hope you weren’t inspired to write this after your trip to NYC 😬🤪😆

James Kenji Lopez-Alt

I haven’t seen past season one, but from what I hear, The Bear made some of the biggest perpetrators of this behavior seem like calm Yoda-types.

Scott McAuley

This is great insight. Also, it makes me wonder if I should continue watching The Bear. 😬

Dhruv Khanna

As a customer and consumer, I love seeing this type of content! It's definitely something that has become more noticeable and influential to my choices. I know which famous / good restaurant in my city is known to try and shut down worker complaints, and which one fundraised money to help with their trans line cook's brain tumor operation - no questions on which of the two I would spend my money on.

Tom

Great comments and insight! Thanks Kenji! I am particularly drawn to people cooking other culture's food. Reminds me of a slew of white guys showcasing their "Mid Atlantic" cooking several years ago. Virtually everything was African American cookery and although mis-appropriation is a term I seldom use, it truly felt right for this. You can only imagine where the recipes came from.

Emma Young

I have been in the same kitchen in an Irish country house for 11 years. I love it there, and we are women led, FOH and kitchen. But sometimes you meet those guys and they do make you feel small and irrelevant. Lucky to be where I am really


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