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D&D Court: Toxic Tables, Confusing Crits and the Tragic Tale of John the Horse

🕑 Added 2022-07-22 05:46:43 +0000 UTC

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Natalie Kangas

Of all the words you might want to call the Council of Elders but you aren't totally sure what the word means, "superfluous" has to be one of the funniest options lol

Rotem Cohen

I need to see the dingers scooter crew art

Matt

I could’ve sworn Caldwell had made many a reference to reading old chapters of one piece prior to this but maybe he’s taking his time or just wanted to and hadn’t gotten around to it until then?

Kidtruck91

For the raccoonicorn thing they would have to summon a celestial. Then make it breed with a raccoon somehow. A wizard did it also does tend to be the reason for alot of beasts.

Hardstuck Jett 3

3.5 had a type of crit confirming. If you roll a nat 20, you auto hit. But you have to roll again and match or exceed the targets AC to confirm critical damage, or else you just deal normal damage.

Melissa Ryan

The Crit Confirm is from pathfinder. They shouldn’t be doing it in dnd. It was never a mechanic there. 😊

Bec Robson

Something tells me Caldwell meant superlative lol

Jessica

Listening to Murph sing the Gummy Bears theme song gave me life!! Also hearing the 2nd verse - which I had COMPLETELY forgotten - brought back a rush of memory that was both thrilling and nostalgic. Gummy Bear one-shot in the future, please and thank you!

Kreamcheese

Im pretty sure crit confirm was also a thing in pathfinder, which was very popular at the same time as dnd 3.5

Nick Lerche

Anyone else missing zac oyamas rotating heroes campaign? Lol love this shid but more campaign

Caroline Groß

The German version of DnD called DSA (Das schwarze Auge - The black eye) does actually have crit confirmation AND 20 and 1 have switched meanings!! (The lower the role, the better.) The rule system is also way more complicated and bureaucratic - very German. Was laughing the whole time you talked about it.

Summer Tribe

what you're saying is nonsense but I'm all for internal consistency depending on the circumstance. If people can't expect anything due to a lack of consistency then their own interpretation of things largely lose meaning, especially in something like a game, your actions must have some degree of reasonable outcome

Summer Tribe

What I'm learning from this comment section (again) is that people writing in have to be clear about what system they're writing about, because nobody likes to hear about a lack of rules understanding

Dallon Taylor

yall are CRAZY! that sidebar is VALID

Brant Johnson

Fully here for "Tales from the Toxic Table"!!

Good Guy Josh

Hell yes One Piece the modern odyssey of fiction welcome to the crew Caldwell so glad you are readings it!

Jon Smith

In 3.5, crits were more powerful (double dmg included modifier) but required crit confirm. However, a 20 was still an auto-success and my party got rid of the confirm role before 5e did it for us. Slowed down gameplay.

K

Gummy Bears one shot

Dylan Irish

I play in a pathfinder 1e campaign and I believe not only do we have to crit confirm above a 10, but I believe our crit confirmation number has to hit our enemy’s AC. Our crit confirm also includes all our bonuses to an attack, too, so it tends to happen a good amount of time(at least for us martial class folk)

Noah

As 1 of the 50 Noahs on the council, I do not agree with Crash and his theft from a Noah but I am willing to pardon this transgression if crash is willing to change his name, obviously to Noah cuz it’s a good name. Furthermore I speak for every Noah on the council when I say that Jake is a cool guy and every Noah henceforth shall only say nice things to balance the stink from the non-Noahs

Lucas

I'm so glad Rachel's death lives on. Let's not tell them that the rest of the Animorphs except Cassie die too.

Tristan Fortenberry

Crit confirms are RAW for 3.5

Sukavi

Are y'all familiar with reddit.com/r/dndhorrorstories?

Noah Jay

I thought his 3.5 game was the decade long one of his friends from the east coast? I didn't think that the LA Crew played 3.5. and if they do, it's likely that Brennan removed crit confirms for the exact reason they mention it being anticlimactic

Noah Jay

The Noahs honor and appreciate your ruling. What happens to one of us, happens to all.

Brenton

YES CALDWELL! Welcome to your one piece journey! See you in Wano

Chris F

Get Connor (@cdawgva) from trash taste podcast to voice Tucker... I mean I imagine Tucker's voice sounds as heavenly as Connor's.

Chad Laska

Just want to point out that while steeds summoned using find steed can’t speak out loud they always understand one language you speak and can communicate telepathically with the summoner in that language #JusticeForJohn

Jess Little

Sorry guys, Crit Confirms is definitely a thing in both Pathfinder 1e and DnD 3.5e. I think y'all owe a correction.

Jesse De La Rosa

I think that the Groot/racoons situation could have been resolved by having the racoons do an athletics check.

Devyn N

Yes! that threw me, I just finished fhsy and it was fresh in my mind

Lindsey Schick

I have the necklace of the d12 of the riverboat shanty dice!! Eleanor is the best!

Elizabeth Lees

Those horse girls are no joke.

Elizabeth Lees

That is excellent.

Garga Lenoir

Caldwell used a common argument online, "if there is supernatural elements in a setting, you are not allowed to discuss its internal consistency". I disagree with it, all settings need internal consistency. So why is are the criticals consistant in D&D settings? Because they're not realistic, they're epic. In D&D a human warrior with a few levels can take canonballs to the face and they'll probably be entirely fine the next day. Heroes and villains are way larger than life, so it's natural that they all have 5% to do something incredible or to fail against all (realistic) odds.

Joey

The crew should SO do that toxic tales thing, there are stories of dnd toxicity that I hold in my heart and long to release but I feel aren't worthy of dungeon court because it more focuses on the drama/group dynamics rather than dnd mechanics the court usually deals with

Mason Shucart

OGD the original God of Dice.

FiendishNoodles

The highest earner on Cameo was the late great Gilbert Gottfried cause who wouldn't want to pay him money to call your friend a sack of shit

Sarahsaurus

Racoonicorn, and the mechanic of it eating a unicorn, came from a Cantrip Cast video based on a random comment from a previous vid. Sounds like a fun creature. https://youtu.be/33ZR0E_N9GM

drednauht

Critical confirmation is a pathfinder 1e thing. It made some sense because many weapons had expanded critical range, coupled with the improved critical feat, a rapier crits on a 15-20. It's a bygone era artifact of feat and item bloat.

Aiyana

Sucked into the wheel well of a Carola is a big Gilear moment

Gwilson

Well-well-well. Look at this Johnny come vaguely-lately, checking in on One Piece when there's only "5 years" left.

Aiyana

Murph's little breath after Caldwell said "If everyone embraces the cringe is it still cringe?" was so funny

Brian Geffre

I had so much fun playing 2e for several years, but THAC0 is dumb, the saves were a mess and death upon hitting zero HP would mean everyone would be on their 4th character by episode 10.

Brian Geffre

Especially when you had larger crit ranges. Easy to crit on a 12 or higher with a keen scimitar.

Brian Geffre

Crit confermation was important too because with a few feats and a keen scimitar, you crit on a 12 or higher.

MrMach6

1 being success and 20 being failure was exactly how 2e worked. I'd love to see yall try to tackle the monster that is 2e one of these days

Heck

That DM got double dogged

NemoKeine

Toxic Tales sounds solid as a side show...even if its just reactions to D&D nightmares

Matt Atkinson

❤️

Dome Fossil

Is there going to be a Toxic Tales from the Table segment? I have a few good ones that are so clearly just toxic players, it’s not even worth submitting to D&D Small Claims Court.

Nathan Wilson

Thanks, I was looking for this explanation and would have spelled it out myself if it wasn't here, but you broke it down perfectly.

Not Another D&D Podcast

Thanks! I'm really enjoying it so far. Wish me luck on my long journey. ~Caldwell

farmerjoe_y

Dog on a spider, now that’s something I’d like to see

will s

Dm of dog here!! you all nailed the situation . All the players at the table were aware of the opportunity of dogs betrayal but wernt aware of our messages and how eminent the pvp was. But he knew he was a melee buld vs 2 and a half casters and I was only going to allow a couple rounds of combat anyway. I agree with Murph that i am trying to play tricks and i got tricked. Shout out to dog still going strong now with a giant spider mount!

Mattlikesfries

AYO CALDWELL READING ONE PIECE?! we love to see it

Makeitsweat

Caldwell, Oda just gets better. I am excited about your journey.

Ryan

Take your time and enjoy the One Piece journey Caldwell! It only gets better

Jack Farley

What a great ep! Also good for you starting one piece Caldwell lol, you’ll enjoy the next 1000 chaps

Allen S

If you make a dating profile that's just a picture of a horse and shout out the Bible, you *will* get responses from a certain type of person.

Andrew S

Groot: https://ddb.ac/characters/79116087/HcHNSy

Andrew S

OK to make up for spoiling Frozen 2, Animorphs and Guardians of the Galaxy we are going to need Murph to dm Olaf, Rachel and Groot on a one shot (Caldwell, Emily and Jake respectively.)

SnuggieWielder

Did anyone else catch the Dimension 20 reference near the end there? Murph said, “Dice Christ is real and so is my dog”, maybe in reference to Fantasy High Siobhan’s “Magic is real and so is my frog” :)

Elizabeth Hart

Crit Confirmation is RAW in 3.5, it sounds like the submitter's DM was doing it a bit weird, but in 3.5 if you crit on an attack (not a skill check) you roll again to try to hit the target AC again, if you hit again you crit, if you don't, it's just a hit. The reason it worked like this is because of two main reasons, one, because it was very easy to build to crit on several numbers besides 20 (for example, a normal, ordinary rapier crits on 18, 19, or 20 in the hands of anyone) and, secondly, because ACs were higher, it stopped characters that could only hit on a crit (because they were so much lower level) from dealing double damage on every hit. Crit confirming on skill checks and nat 1s and having the DC always be 10 (and I guess not adding anything to the roll?) all does sound needlessly complicated though. Thus, despite missing some information, the righteous Crit Justices ruled correctly as always.

Declan Konesky

Confirming crits was basically a necessity in 3.5 bc the numbers were so wild. You could crit fish and have like 5 or 7 attacks while critting on 15-20. But ACs could be in the 30s. You'd get so many bonuses too that would double that you could do 300 dmg a turn no problem. It was a wild time. Even now I'm not wild about high numbers get in 5e but I sure do love how simple a crit and a fumble is again

jackalope503

What's wild is I was just relistening to the 8BBC episode where Caldwell and Emily sing the gummi bears theme song so the ending of this show was like a sweet little time capsule. Side note: have they ever considered bringing Jake on as an 8BBC guest? I think he might be alright at it

Maya B

Ask Brennan about crit confirm he probably cut it bc he didn't like it?

Maleny

subtitled Hot Boys Save Chrickmas

Adah Kinzer

I also have a “yeah fuck” d20 and it does make crit fails more fun

JT Gwozdz

I've very confused how Murph and Em haven't heard of confirming Crits when they were playing in Brennan's 3.5 game. Was Brennan just not doing crit confirms?

Hunter Anderson

YES CALDWELL IS READING ONE PIECE

Shepard Price

Crit confirm in 3.5 is not homebrew it’s part of the systwm

Melissa Surges

I heard at least 2 references to Hot Boy Summer! Does it mean that campaign is fresh in their minds?! I need a sequel or Cool Boy Winter so BAD!

Nick Neverman

My pathfinder group uses crit confirmations to get crit cards. So no matter what you get double damage for a Nat 20, but a confirmed crit would have debilitating effects or even triple damage

Chris Truex

Pathfinder has crit confirmation. However, every table I've played at house ruled that Nat 20s were an autocrit. If you rolled something in your crit range otherwise (because of feats, skills, or weapon characteristics that expanded the crit range to more than just 20), THEN you needed to confirm

Krowlove82

For the Crit Confirmation, I never played 3.5e so I don't know if it was ever RAW. However, my table plays with a rule that if you hit a Nat 20, you can choose to confirm it. Which just means you roll again and if you hit a second Nat 20, then instead of double dice, you roll 4x dice. If you roll a Nat 1 on the confirmation, it cancels out the crit. But anything inbetween just means it's a normal crit. And the pcs never have to, it's a choice. As I was writing this, literally Caldwell talked about this rule.... but yes, my table fully plays with this rule

Shane C

Dingers merch when???

Sean Logue

Hey there, I gave those fuck/yeah dice you referenced at the Philly live show during our meet and greet! Glad to hear you enjoyed em.

Clairodactyl

I'm so glad I'm not the only person who knows the whole Gummi Bears theme tune and can sing it at the drop of a hat!

Rinnie

I preferred the 3.5 crit confirmation rules.

Anthony Ferguson

As already pointed out, Crit Confirmation is a thing in 3.5. On a nat 20, you roll again, if you hit the AC of the target, it is a crit. If you miss the AC, it is still a hit, but not a crit. This was pretty standard for the edition and I was baffled moving info 5e that a nat 20 was just a crit. Couldn't go back to crit confirm now though 🤣

Lulu_ Wi_

The Youtuber Dingo Doodles talked about a house rule with crits similar to crit confirmation but better. If you roll a nat 20, you roll again to see if you get another nat 20. If so you double crit. And if you roll 3 nat 20 in a row you insta kill the enemy. They insta killed the big bad of the campaing with this.

Lee Blatchford

Thos was great and all but i can NOT be the only one who thought the best part was Murph knowing all the words to The Gummi bears theme song!!? Cause, no shame, was fully singing along!! Well played Murph!🤩🤣

King Wonderbread

Thanks for all the love you guys, gonna pitch Caldwell's idea soon and see how it goes ❤️❤️🙏🎲

James Bofinger

Animorphs rules

Canid

Leased corolla https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx5niOsFzvRY7zmYOobHFHXkV_wMVgrjps

Devyn N

Did Murph reference fantasy high season 2 in the dog story? I just watched it and it definitely seems like magic is real and so is my frog has become an inside joke for them

Devyn N

I definitely think Caldwells double down idea is smoother and less disappointing than the crit confirm

華偉曾

crit confirm is something similar to pf1 system, but worse, it's a must fix.

AmberDextrous!

Re: Crit Confirmation - I started in 3.5e and then Pathfinder and this was the rule at the table I played at. If you rolled a Nat 20, you had to roll again and if you didn't get the AC on the second roll, it was still a hit but not a crit. If you did meet the AC, you got to crit. On the reverse, if you rolled a 1, but hit the AC in the second roll, you didn't have a critical failure, but if you didn't hit the AC, you did have a critical failure. It was explained as a balance mechanism - a way to get out of something really bad happening, but for balance you had to confirm something good happening.

H-Train

also as an aside, raccoonicorns being made by raccoons consuming unicorn flesh doesn’t make any sense but i’m actually into it conceptually

Chloe Peifly

i’m crying laughing at the dog story

Devyn N

For the sake of the horse story, the replacement horse was named “Not John” and I referred to him as the full name Not John every time. Thanks for reading my case!

Teo Tamashiro-Harris

Just wanted to say that despite the spoilers, since you did the Animorphs 8Bit Book Club, I've read all the Animorph books and they really are good even knowing what's coming. Highly recommend that Jake keeps reading!