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More WIP on my cartoon

🕑 Added 2024-08-07 15:05:17 +0000 UTC

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Sebastian K

If you spent time on the sound design, I’m sure you’d be great at it. But it adds soo much work. Maybe you could outsource it? There probably are some musicians or sound guys among your followers 😊

Sebastian K

I think in the way you’re working, you don’t need to focus on sound a lot (or at all), in social media sound is often turned off by default or if something is on autoplay and has a lot of distracting noises, people will often mute it anyway. You’re doing all the storytelling visually, anyway, and I like seeing everything progressing in only a matter of days.

Sebastian K

yes kind of, but if you animate by hand, you can do all kinds of weird things. I’ve always enjoyed experimental animation like this: Pout Melody (Lilli Carré) https://vimeo.com/49112328 or this: Black Swan (Guy Harlap) https://vimeo.com/13137686

Alice

Yeah, it's crazy! This is why I'm finding out it's so important to figure out tricks to save drawing as many frames as possible. You can spot a lot of these tricks in real cartoons if you keep an eye out, a classic one would be during speech, you can just draw a character stood in a pose and just animate the mouth, then you put a moving mouth over a still image of the character and you saved yourself an absolute ton of drawing. I'm hoping to finish most of the into scene today if I can and I will explain all the tricks I used when I share it Unfortunately striking a balance is tricky; too much stuff happening means a lot of work and time spent animating, cutting back on too many frames makes it look juddering and cheap.

Kenny

Btw, have you noticed that pretty much the biggest part of "Consensual" is the word "Sensual"? Appropriately in this case.

Kenny

Meanwhile, more WIP, please. And THANK YOU, for all your work for us.

Kenny

Omg, that is so crazy. Do you think you are averaging about 10 frames per second? Or like 300 drawings for 30 sec of video? At an hour per drawing?! Maybe I have that wrong - it seems too much. By this time you must have it pretty much planned out and have some idea of the finished length of the video. -- I don't know how long I can wait!

Alice

I'm suddenly painfully aware that I want this toon to have sounds and music and no nothing about how to do any of that 😭 Do you mean something like the music visualisers that used to be everywhere?

Alice

I tried to keep this animation as simple as possible style wise so it's really fast to draw. The thing is that it's not just drawing the frame. It has to flow nicely out of the last one and into the next one, it's got to be a part of a string of images that make sense together and convey the movement that it's supposed to. I can draw a picture of this character in 5 minutes but factoring in all the planning and consistency and fiddling about, not to mention backgrounds and props like the door in this one, I wouldn't be surprised if I'm averaging over an hour per frame even with this simple style

Kenny

I guess that means, what you draw is what we get. And for each 4/24ths of a second of you, we get to see in various positions of consensual distress, you work how long on each drawing? What a labor of lust! And love, really!

Alice

One skill I most definitely do not have is spelling, but even spellchecker cannot save me from my dislexia. I am a huge pervert though, as you will come to see

Alice

"On fours" means each frame of animation is shown for 4/24ths of a second, "on twos" means each is shown for 2/24th of a second. There's no infilling of frames or magic "make animation" button sadly, it's just that the animation looks more choppy the less inbetween frames you hand draw, think stuttering lag in a video game. I don't know if I'm explaining this well at all

Kenny

I'm not an animator, but a fellow artist and very intrigued. So you say that working "on fours" gets a rougher result, is that because the app has to work harder to "infill" the frames and has to make up more of the image on its own, so to speak?

Kenny

I see you have decided to include "pervious clips" as well as previous clips, although I'm not seeing anything all that "pervy".

Sebastian K

Haha, yes not finishing something is very ok, too, you’re right :) I guess what I’m most fascinated about at moment is how animation and sounds can interact in a meaningful or interesting way, something I haven’t really done a lot before. That walk cycle really feels just like an exercise. I remember finishing a walk cycle can feel quite rewarding if you put in the time, but maybe I’ll put it aside and finish it later. Anyway I’m happy I downloaded Toonsquid, it’s quite versatile and useful to have. There are some interesting pixel-brushes, maybe I’ll give those a try soon. Cheers :)

Alice

That's a great start! Animating is tedious, but it's worth it if you're excited about what you're making. I feel no shame in abandoning a project if I'm not interested in it, it's supposed to be fun! What is it that made you want to learn? Do you have a fantastical image in your head you need to make into a reality? Also, you could, instead of moving the camera to follow a moving elephant over a stationary background, you could have a stationary elephant and camera and a scrolling background?

Sebastian K

The glow in the dark version: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/wkj31jmptrt7p1v8yivgf/IMG_2043.heic?rlkey=bjytfnnhx1ryiezb8824rtht0&dl=0

Sebastian K

The walk cycle WIP: https://media2.giphy.com/media/2I1B2JtjmGfVPEjhPb/giphy.gif?cid=9b38fe91boa4puj3tcz8vqjyu82mkl8byu0hg39iizzfda5m&ep=v1_gifs_username&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

Sebastian K

Everything looks great! It’s nice seeing your process. I hope you’ll get to finish this sequence! But taking brakes is just as important, of course. I thought i’d make a little walk cycle that I could move in front of a background so I could crop in with the camera and animate it, but it’s all becoming quite tedious. I only have one or two hours of free time every day which is alright, but I was unsure if I really wanted to finish that walking elephant so I tried to make him look cooler by adding glow in the dark paint. I don’t know whether I like that, but I guess I’ll finish that walk cycle and decide later what to do with it. The learning curve in Toonsquid hasn’t been very steep so far, I really like it!