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How Dead is Moore's Law?

🕑 Added 2023-08-12 12:00:06 +0000 UTC
How Dead is Moore's Law?

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One issue with making really tiny tiny transistors, is that they become more liable to introduce errors in calculations when hit by cosmic rays and other forms of natural penetrating radiation that are part of the background of our lives and, if I remember correctly, is why our hair gradually turns grey and, eventually, white with age. But where are we now when it comes to tiny transistors, more energy efficient and not in unthinkable big and, or expensive machines? The new Mac Pro CPU, for example, uses 5 nanometer technology, have 47 billion (thousands of millions) transistors, can do double precision floating-point operations at the rate of some 600 trillion (hundreds of thousands of millions) per second, where a floating-point operation here means one multiplication and one sum, the basic operation in linear algebra and, therefore, key to precise scientific and engineering calculations in just about any kind of study. This chip also contains a "neural engine", some kind of neural network with input and output hardware included, plus a GPU, or graphical processing unit, the kind Sabine has mentioned that can be used instead of a CPU for even faster computing. As to the CPU, its design is a Reduced Instruction Set Computer architecture (RISC) that is more energy efficient and faster than most PCs Complex Instruction Set Computer (CISC) one , for example the Intel CPUs. I do not know for sure, but I think that if one really needed a faster machine (and not necessarily a Mac, I am not advertising for Cupertino here), it would then be a matter of getting time in a supercomputer. Or of buying one, if "one" were a big financial firm, or a stock market, or a National Weather Bureau. Or NOAA. Gamers wishing to play much more interactive games with multitudes, probably would be better off and enjoy themselves more if they went out more, instead. As to quantum computers, besides the fact that I have not been able to figure out yet what they may be good for? Well, the way they are being developed, inside very large Dewar flasks, does not promise that a laptop or cell-phone is going to house one of those any time soon, to show off in front of those unfortunate ones with regular transistors in their not so cool (at liquid helium temperatures) run of the mill phones.

I want to thank Mr. Breeze and David for making me feel so young. I never got a computer as a kid, but I was always so envious of my cousins who had a Commodore 64. I finally bought my first desktop computer when I was a 1st yr graduate student -- Packard Bell 75 MHz Pentium and a beta copy of Windows 95. The computer and monitor together cost just over $1000. My current home desktop computer is over 10 years old now with a 1st gen 4-core Core-i7, but I've maxed out the RAM at 24 Gb and with an ssd, it's way more zippy than I need. On the topic of Moore's law, back in the day, I had to swap out for a newer computer every couple years or so because they just got too slow for newer Windows and newer software. These days, though, I never run into performance issues for everyday computing. Now, if we want to talk data analysis, my work computer is barely capable of processing JVLA data. It's about 10 years old now as well with an 8-core Xeon and 64 Gb of RAM, but when I send a 100-Gb file at it, it can take a couple days for an imaging run.

D Brown

Just my opinion, but I believe the rigorous engineering discipline associated with processor design is what produced Moore's Law. This is to say that the R&D cycle was 2 years and the safe approach for the next iteration of processors was to cut space usage in half. So in effect, that rule-of-thumb would have been the actual law. Early on in my career I had the chance to work with engineers in the processor design business, and I am fairly certain they were not considering how to fit as many transistors as possible into a given area. They were more concerned about ensuring that the end of the R&D cycle produced a product that could be brought to market. Failure to do so likely meant that an entire engineering department would be out looking for another job. First computer: IBM PS/2 Mod 80 with a 16 MHz processor, 2MB ram, and (I believe) 2 X 320 MB disk drives that weighted about 5 pounds each. I still have it, although it has not been powered on for 10+ years.

Mr. Breeze

My first computer was a Commodore VIC-20. MOSTec 6502 8 bit processor @ 1.02 MHz Memory 20 KB ROM + 5 KB RAM Screen 176 x 184, 16 colors 300 baud modem expansion card! Blisteringly slow! This phone, a Samsung Galaxy S22, is worlds more powerful than the VIC20 or my second computer, a C-64. It's like magic! I hardly use my new computer for normal tasks any more. 2340x1080 display 64-bit Octa-Core Processor @ 2.8Ghz 8GB RAM w/ 256GB storage 5G data (100+ Mbps) And it fits in my pocket unless I'm wearing women's jeans.

Excellent current state overview. The popular media never caught onto the true law of semiconductor future hype that Jack Kirby stated back in the 90’s: “When it comes to predicting the future of semiconductors, everything that is predicted is pure hype.” Wisdom from one of the key inventors of the integrated circuit.


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