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Do we have evidence for new physics? Or not?

🕑 Added 2023-08-05 12:00:06 +0000 UTC
Do we have evidence for new physics? Or not?

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I'd like to see an episode on sterile neutrinos, expaining what it takes for a particle to be its own anti-particle and if two particles are identical, why they should annihilate each other.

MOND, it seems to me, is a patch on Newton's gravitation theory that is, in turn, a (pre) patch on Einstein's (and Newton's is still widely used in astrodynamics, I do this myself). But now on to something I find more interesting: reading this articule by Sabine H. I finally understand why particle physicists, with rare exceptions, dislike her so much.

Rad Antonov

Happy Sunday to you as well Jeffery. My pleasure, enjoy!

Happy Sunday, Rad! Thanks for those links. I have the paperback set of the FLP, so at least I can read that offline.

Rad Antonov

https://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/III_03.html This chapter in the FLP I think is a succinct and readily accessible answer to your first question. Forces are treated by including the potential for the force in the Schrödinger equation. You can turn Tracey’s example around and ask: does a particle in a spatial superposition “feel” a force potential? The answer is yes. It is called the Aharonov-Bohm effect and has recently been demonstrated even for a gravitational potential. https://par.nsf.gov/servlets/purl/10340035 Now, does a particle in a spatial superposition generate its own gravitational potential and if it does, how do we represent it? No idea. As to your second question, I find Hawking’s black hole pair production paper a lucid framing of the problem. https://projecteuclid.org/journalArticle/Download?urlId=cmp%2F1103899181

Edited after rethinking: Regarding superpositions: Tracey mentions similar by her bringing up the double slit experiment, so how technically does quantum theory account for forces and superposition? I don't recall ever reading about that. However, after reading your reply I did find this: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1367-2630/ab104a So, it appears that physicists have thought about extending GR. I didn't know that there was a consideration from that front before.

Rad Antonov

Is there room for MOND and dark matter in the universe?

Rad Antonov

Could it be that the very notion of space-time does not apply to particles in superposition? It’s only when a system is kicked into an eigenstate / wave function collapses that space-time is manifested. That would make gravity an emergent phenomenon. Nothing original here, ideas like this have been circulating.

Thomas: MOND is a classical theory, it doesn't say anything about quantum effects. Though there are some people (like Verlinde) who say that MOND-like laws are a consequence of quantum gravity.

The problem is that space-time, in Einstein's theory, doesn't have superpositions, whereas the particles that give rise to the curvature do.

Happy Friday, Tracey! The same question holds for other forces. I have no idea. I have never heard that aspect dealt with. I found this paper: chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/27413728/single_photon_paper.pdf So now we can perform this experiment to study this specific issue!

Good morning (here in central Europe it is), Jeffery, I´m glad to hear that, I always liked GR, and wasn´t claimed since decades, that the discovery of gravitational waves would be the last puzzle piece, to prove it right? Good morning Tracey, right, QM and gravity again...would be nice, to bring gravity measurement down to a level of protons or bucket balls, at least...

One of the simplest situations to consider is a single particle going through a double slit and appearing to pass through both slits and self-interfere. Where exactly should gravity be assigned -- the left slit or the right slit? Or, consider if wave function collapse is an actual physical event, what happens to gravity in that scenario? This is a problem regardless of whether gravity is correctly defined by GR or MOND or anything else.

MOND doesn't predict well outside certain cases from what I read. Sabine doesn't seem worried about MOND overturning GR, so I would guess that while MOND does provide some interesting arguments, it isn't robust enough.

right Jeff, but what about MOND? If MOND-like theories are right, isn,t in this case the whole GR on the test bench? Much confusion in physics currently

About quantum gravity. If gravity is not a force but a curvature of space-time then what's the problem? Why are physicists looking for a 'force' when they should be looking for a curvature of space-time for particles? It seems that gravity isn't weak at quantum scale, but that the curvature is by nature incredibly small at those really, really, really, really, really tiny masses. Right?

The discussion about modified gravity here wets my appetite for further detailed explanations from Sabine on how MOND helps shed light on yet another area (sigh) which hints at the need for “new physics” …. or at least the need for new models of the universe. This area is based on recent observational data from the James Webb space telescope observations (JWST). JWST detected early galaxies to be much larger than expected. This is described in: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-05786-2 I think in a recent YouTube presentation Sabine mentioned that MOND might help reduce the degree of theory upheaval needed to account for these observations… which would comfort me because I have friend who claims the observations wonderfully support his unified theory which indicates the universe is NOT expanding but instead that time is circular. I am personally uncomfortable with the thought of repeating this post every N billion years … or worse still going bald again every N billion years…REGARDLESS of how novel, illuminating and unifying my friend’s math might be. Is it not simpler to avoid assuming that nature MUST be unified?


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