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Marijuana: Legalize or not?

🕑 Added 2023-03-04 13:00:04 +0000 UTC
Marijuana: Legalize or not?

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Like, I'm hanging for my favourite twice-weekly sci-tech fix with the finest of mood-lifting bad jokes on STEM Twitter. (My own bad jokes are actually pretty awful sometimes, do not recommend.)

Rad Antonov

The peak was a post 2020 election euphoria on hopes that the new administration will legalize it at the Federal level, fueled by speculative SPAC money sloshing around, looking for deals. The Fed's hiking cycle has burst that bubble, along with the crypto craze. As explained in the episode, consumption hasn't risen materially in the states that did legalize.

I'm guessing the mountain-range of peaks and troughs is due to COVID lockdowns and freedom alternating for couple of years maybe - people stuck at home smoking more?

Psychosis doesn't turn one into a criminal, if that's what you were wondering. Enjoying marijuana as many people enjoy alcohol as substance that is relaxing and slightly mood-elevating the risk of harm seems relatively slight.

Now I'm imagining puckering bigot arses THANKS TRACEY NOT. 😆

Got you, totally with you there. I thought that Hershey's chick looked fabulous. The more TERF & GC haters can be provoked into showing their whole arses, the better. 😀

"cannabis use increases crime, though there is little evidence to support this claim." Wait, but you just said: "There is a particularly consistent link between cannabis use and mental illnesses involving psychosis, especially in people already at risk of mental illness." So, isn't there a link between crime increase and psychosis increase? Maybe not, after all. Good. As long as the number of crimes does not increase (it could decrease due to less issues related to the war on drugs), I support legalization, as with tobacco: "if it’s legal you can tax it, and then you can use the money to" finance public healthcare and also, as smokers live less, that will make the pension system more sustainable (that's why tobacco is legal). Smokers are real patriots. Definitively, you should try growing the plants, but not ingesting or smoking THC. Keep your amazing brain healthy. The brain can be damaged very easily, but it is hard to improve it. Selling these plants to someone would cause me some moral conflicts, I could not do it. But well, some time ago I worked as waiter, serving alcohol to adults until some of them just knocked off... in wedding celebrations. Drugs consumption is a medical issue and they should be sold in pharmacies, not associated to any fun or recreation. Their effects are not fun, they are dramatic. Someone having an overdose or an ethyl comma is not funny at all.

As a retired person I am am unsure about your closing statement. I think I still require my brain 😉

I do absolutely mean to be rude with this joke, but my apologies if my poor wording has offended the wrong side. In my head, this joke was in response to the recent conservative backlash against Hershey's for their campaign putting women (HER-SHE-y's) on their candy, including a trans woman. Given how tightly puckered some people's asses are around the sticks shoved up there, how much more outraged puckering would be induced if marijuana plants openly expressed their pronouns, especially if worn by the young, woke crowd (and super double especially if worn by their own rebellious children).

Rad Antonov

Robo Twist Electric Jar Opener– The Original RoboTwist One Touch Electric Handsfree Easy Jar Opener, Works for Jars of All Sizes - As Seen on TV https://a.co/d/azhj43A You don’t need me, right? I am going golfing.

D Brown

Given the mistakes the US originally made with cocaine, I think the US government now errors on the side of caution for any mood altering substance (natural or manmade).

D Brown

I agree, its users are "laid back". But as you go up the dealer chain you will eventually encounter people (i.e., sellers) who are armed at all times. They are armed because of the amount of product they are moving. Their success becomes their own worst enemy as they become know by other buyers, other sellers (their competition), and the police. With all this 'publicity', they are eventually the target of a robbery attempt (or worse). So it is this crime ridden enterprise that legalization will minimize and possibly eliminate altogether.

Rad Antonov

I ran the experiment and went to a concert last night (not Drake, but a guy who could be as recognizable one day-JID) where the second hand THC exposure was unavoidable. This morning, I proceeded to bogey the Wordle after forgetting what I had used in the previous move. Definitely genus, not genius. I’ll be attempting to make contact with the small ball later and will let you know how that turns out. The biggest risk I see in legalizing marijuana is that someday it turns into a profit center for well funded and politically savvy operators. That is essentially what happened with the opioid crisis and the consequences were devastating. Criminal behavior in corporate disguise led to the loss of tens of thousands of young lives that billions of dollars in fines will not bring back. On that score, we may be in luck, pot stocks have gotten smoked! Just look at this ETF chart: https://www.google.com/finance/quote/TOKE:BATS?hl=en&window=MAX It’s a commodity industry with no barriers to entry, no moats and lackluster growth, as seen in your charts. Maybe it’s due for a dead cat bounce, but finding the next TikTok or Snap seems more durable.

My experience of other people using marijuana is as a party drug and to relax, not related with other criminal activities. I prefer to be around people smoking it and drinking alcohol in preference to just alcohol; people are far more relaxed and less liable to get angry or over-enthusiastically uncoordinated and loud.

There's devices to open jar lids already. You can also tap the jar lid on a hard surface, or break the seal with a knife, or use the slightly wasteful method of running hot water over the lid. I've been sans-males-to-open jars for much of my adulthood. 🙂

I think the pronoun joke is somewhat rude, actually. Just have pronouns. There's no such thing as preferred pronouns, just the correct ones. Most of us just used the ones we were assigned but it's the same deal as for people who choose theirs.

Well, once we figure out cloning, one might argue that men can finally be completely replaced by machines....until I come across a really stuck jar lid, that is. There's your solution to male job security, convince all of the industries that pack things in jars to put the lids on especially tight. :-)

pfreya

Yeah, there are a few decently large rabbit holes left unexplored for sure. Could make an hour long video and still have more to explore :p One of the biggest reasons in the US has a lot to do with finding excuses for law enforcement to target out groups, unfortunately. Additionally, many members of congress have historically had financial ties to the cotton, tobacco, and lumber industries, all of which have been loud opponents of hemp. Hemp isn’t a panacea that can replace all things, but it’s fibers /are/ remarkably good for paper, clothing, and mild structural work (when used in similar ways to post-mill wood byproducts). Another unfortunate example of money and prejudice driving policy and ruining lives :/

Male disposability strikes again!

It seems that Sabine did not address some of the deeper issues of why marijuana was illegal for so long, while alcohol and opiates were not. I don't know the answer, but I suspect it might have to do with economics and/or religion

An idea for the merch store: marijuana leaf shirt with male on one side and female on the other, including their preferred pronouns.

D Brown

1: Other names: Bud; Ganja. 2: I believe TCH is formed as a sunscreen response to light. 3: Kids: No, just like alcohol. In my opinion, kids on drugs has a lot to do with a lot of the smash-n-grab gangs and car jacking gangs. The dealers get kids 'hooked' on the drug, then makes them do things to get more of it as a kid who is doing drugs is less likely to have stable employment. 4: Legalization will help put smugglers and dealers who deal other drugs out of business. It would eliminate the need to buy pounds of it to get a good price, so there is less change of drug dealer related crimes as well. 5: I do not drink as I like to stay awake during the day. When I retire I will likely have a drink (e.g., wine) once in a while. If cannabis becomes legal in all of the US, I might try it once just to see what all the fuss is with the increased potency.

Not persecuted in Germany? Tell that to the 180,000 cases sentenced each year.

Hi, FYI, at 15:36, you might have meant "prosecuted" rather than "persecuted." Prosecute means to enforce a law in the instance. It's not nonsensical to use "persecute" the way you did, but it's not a legal term.

TIN CAN

Now age 73. I always wanted to get high. Age 7 rolled oak leaves. No good. Booze age 11, by 16 I would slowly drink a bottle of whisky and drive my idiot drunk friends home. Carefully. Then bought 100 Osley acid took it right ow. Hid the rest in sand. Really liked all the free pure cocaine from a smuggler. 1973. Then quit it all except booze, Now I drink a measured 5oz of box wine. 3 years ago bought a weed vape. Way too strong. The tiniest poff too much. We all need escape, some get over it.

Falken Vape

I don't know if it's a pun or a typo but "persecuted" vs "prosecuted", somewhere in the middle. A bit sad you seem to have put aside 2 critical points in this text - smoking, yes you said it's "bad" but missed that if there is a gateway (the whole pseudoscience theory in the drugs field is a joke based on an old racist campaign but let's stay on track), it's from smoking cannabis with tobacco to… smoking tobacco. Which kills much more people but finance so much and is so invested by ideologies that seriously proposing safer alternatives is qualified as a threat (like in Germany, UE or in the US at the moment). Any framework legalizing, depenalizing or mystically pro/persecuting should address this issue. - risks caused by making cannabis use, possession and/or sale illegal. They are by far ahead of any other health risks. Physically thousands are assaulted/killed because of the drug war. Socially thousands are excluded because arrested, in prison or treated badly by the police (which is an issue in itself). Psychologically thousands are not treated as human beings, some of them suffering from physical or mental problems and trying to alleviate their suffering but being prosecuted et persecuted because of that, being thrown in the hands of dealers. Harm reduction frameworks are a reflexion on all those issues, a real consensus has been made for decades now. The rest has nothing to do with health or (hard) sciences (but that's for another video and probably on another channel, some very interesting historical things, some political). It's a detail but some make a distinction between vaporizing (heat not burn in vegetal / oil form) and vaping (extracting on water-soluble and heating in aerosol), it's a bit technical but those forms are very different in what is inhaled, how much control there is on composition and some safety/result issues, with pros and cons for both. Thanks a lot for your channel and for examining this subject already quite well.


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