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How Does Quantum Uncertainty Work?

🕑 Added 2022-12-10 13:00:07 +0000 UTC
How Does Quantum Uncertainty Work?

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Thanks for that link to that series of talks. I'm starting at 1.

Hi Jeffery, I talked about the bra-ket notation long ago here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctXDXABJRtg The big Delta is is used both for a difference and for variance. If you are referring to a change it's more common to use a small delta I would say, but these conventions differ by community.

Rad Antonov

If I may, I’ll throw one more paper in the mix. It too argues against the Casimir effect as evidence for vacuum energy, but has physics in it, as opposed to the purely mathematical approach from Nikolic. The author is interested in the cosmological constant and although he shows an alternative derivation of the Casimir effect is possible, he concedes that it may be impossible to formulate quantum mechanics without zero point energy. It helps to see both sides of the argument: https://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-th/0503158.pdf#page12

Rad Antonov

🤣 or golf, good one and my pleasure, I learned some things looking into it.

Thanks. I will read Birula's "Photon Wave Function" paper.

Thank you for the link. 260 pages ... It may take me a while ... I will also read the proof you critiqued, it is much shorter 14 pages. Both are bit over my head ... I can read math, but I cannot do math. It is kind of like being a fan of soccer.

Rad Antonov

The cited “proof” claims that the force “does not follow directly from general principles”, whatever those might be and furthermore, his critique “has the origin in general principles of classical mechanics” (pg. 3, penultimate paragraph before “The main proof” section). He then attempts to turn into a QED proof by waiving his hands and writing down some commutation relations that ignore any of the physics, basically concluding light and matter don’t interact. It’s rubbish and as such, has barely been cited. Now, your question about van der Waals forces. In fact, Casimir set out to compute van der Waals forces on polarizable molecules in the presence of a conducting plate. You could say the Casimir effect is a long range, retarded van der Waals force. That’s semantics. The point is, absent vacuum energy, there would be no induced dipole moment to give rise to a force. The review linked below has a good description of the underlying physics on pg. 10-11. https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0106045

Good explanation. Your mention of delta as "uncertainty" brings up what I think could be a topic of a video, how to read the equations in quantum mechanics. For example, I read delta as "change of" or "change in", not "uncertainty". Also, I watched The Great Courses lectures on quantum mechanics and learned that that vertical line, psi and greater than/less than symbol is a "ket" and "bra" respectively, as in "bra-ket notation". So, now that I know what to look for I can find it, such as in "Quantum Mechanics 1: Foundations" by Green this is explained on page 14 in "Dirac's bra-ket notation"! I bet that many others could use a nice overview because while we've taken math, physics and engineering courses, we haven't done the smart thing and started with quantum mechanics 101 and so missed some of the meaning in the notations used in quantum mechanics. Consider it, at least.

Sabine, You have explained very clearly and understandable that Heisenberg’s uncertainty is in fact the same as the relation of delta frequency to delta time in a wave packet. - However, then you say that the difference of both is the presence of ‘h’. The question now: what is the role of ‘h’? At the first glance, it is a proportionality factor which connects the frequency to energy. E = h*ny. Now, what is the physics of this relation? According to the original idea of de Broglie and the findings of Schrödinger and Dirac, there is a permanent oscillation in an elementary particle – going on at the speed c (which btw is the origin of relativistic dilation). This oscillation has to be an orbital motion as the particle has a spin and a magnetic moment (the latter if charged). The constituents of this particle (which have to be two by fundamental physical causes) have to be bound to each other. If we state the binding field by the expression h*c, then we have fixed what h is and why there is E = h*ny. Classical and quite simple, I think. No quantum mystery. And another goody: if we determine the mass of an elementary particle on the basis of this model, then we get the correct value with high precision (for the electron with 1:300’000). Please compare this to the Higgs mechanism: nothing!

Rad Antonov

No, he didn’t. I’ll explain.

Greggery Peccary

Yes indeed the Principle did come earlier.

How can we distinguish Casimir from Van der Waals ??? "More recently, Nikolic proved from first principles of quantum electrodynamics that Casimir force does not originate from vacuum energy of electromagnetic field, and explained in simple terms why the fundamental microscopic origin of Casimir force lies in van der Waals forces." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect

Rad Antonov

I saw Copenhagen at the Royale Theatre and to be honest, didn’t really appreciate it. I just remember it not being very coherent. Sounds like the movie was better, so I’ll look to stream it after the WCUP. Regarding the eponymous principle, that came much earlier in life than the events depicted in the play. It’s possible he drew on some insights about the human experience, but practically, the principle falls out of his matrix formulation of quantum mechanics by way of non-commuting operators. That approach works for position/momentum and spin. The time/energy uncertainty is a bit of a different animal that was very well explained in the episode.

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Huh, they haven't told me about that. (Though they said they would.) Thanks for pointing out!

Tracey, Thanks for the suggestion, I will keep that in mind!

Happy you like it!

Hey everyone, Sabine's TEDx talk just popped up on my YouTube feed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx1k8q6PnWU

It's great when different people cover the same or similar topics (and inevitable with several STEM-Tubers) to help understand the nuances of those topics. I always enjoy the SWTG videos still, because Sabine.

I was thinking that the Pauli exclusion principle would be a good one to cover in this same manner for the same reason. Especially since it accounts for atomic structure, white dwarf stars, and ultimately the distance scale of the universe. Then, Arvin Ash put out a nice video today on the exclusion principle. Still, Sabine could tell this story as well, focusing on different topics than Arvin chose, and inserting the trademark sarcastic humor.

Vacuum polarization is also a measurable effect.

Rad Antonov

The vacuum is full of energy. The Casimir effect is one striking example of that fact. It has been observed in the lab and was found to be in agreement with the theoretical prediction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect.

Greggery Peccary

There's a play, made into a movie twenty years ago, with James Bond playing Heisenberg (srsly jk), which depicts the [historical] uncertainty of what happened when Heisenberg met Bohr during WWII (before Bohr escaped). The play works with the idea that humans experience the edge of decision, (or the superposition of roles, or the deferral of measurement) constantly, and that insight into this experience is what Heisenberg drew on to reach his understanding of the formulation of the eponymous principle. The filmed version of the play is very worth seeing, if only for Stephan Rea's and Daniel Craig's performances, as well as this idea presented that humans actually experience the notion of uncertainty, even in the form of conjugate measurables, fairly regularly in life.

Another video where Sabine broke down and explained concepts that seem to be taken for granted. I really enjoy these. 😸

The correct way to relate energy with time and momentum with space for a single particle is to have E=i hbar d/dt, and p=-i hbar 3gradient, and then take expectation values for whatever wavefunction, not just for a particle that is at one frequency or wavelength, more general than Einstein's E=h v and de Broglie's p=h lambda, valid for superpositions. It works for photons too! The interesting thing for photons is that the wavefunction (there are several ways to do this, but this is the simplest) is a 6 component vector of E and B fields (modulo some factors involving the average energy or the photon, and taking the real parts of the possibly complex ccomponents). So a quantum mechanical object (the wavefunction) can be written in terms of classical EM fields (this doesn't work for fermions, or at least we haven't figured out how to do it yet, there might be a way to interpret fermion wavefunctions in terms of purely classical geometric quantities having to do with singularities of spacetime) . See for example Open Journal of Microphysics, 2011, 1, 41-52, or any of Birula's papers on photons wave function.

Counting the fairies on a pin-head: "delta_t * delta_E > h_bar" is used in the claim that the vacuum is full of energy because the math says that if you push delta_t below some threshold, delta_E has to rise. But that assumes there are virtual-particles present (whatever that means) and/or 'quantum-foam'. It also assumes that the vacuum is a continuum at the level of Plank's constant. - In math, you can assume anything you like. But in physics, you can only design feasible experiments. When I read about physicists 'going to zero' or 'going to infinity', and/or talking about singularities, I tend to think they MUST BE JOKING.

Rad Antonov

On a serious note, I enjoyed how wave superposition took us full circle to EPR.

Rad Antonov

We can knock string theorists all we want, but they have finally achieved an enviable spot in the zeitgeist. Can anyone name another type of physics nerd that rappers glorify, like Ab-Soul does 26 seconds in on this recent track? https://youtu.be/4WX6YCm8En4


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