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Science News Dec 7

🕑 Added 2022-12-07 16:00:07 +0000 UTC
Science News Dec 7

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Rad Antonov

Hi Colleen, my pleasure and in all fairness, I am not the right person to do it justice. The real question though is what, if anything, this fancy duality math is good for? In other words, can it make any predictions? Like, here are a bunch of quarks and gluons, tell me what the mass of the bound state is. Or, how about take some fancy alloy and figure out whether it goes superconducting and at what temperature. Hard but practical questions that if we could answer would represent progress, at least to me.

Hi Rad, I didn't know that duality was the framework that these experiments have been carried out within, or how it related to digital & quantum computational experiments and modelling, so thanks for explaining that. We without deep physics knowledge haven't had that explained with the descriptions of the research as far as I can tell, which doesn't help anything.

Rad Antonov

Luckily, we have our own blog here and that’s good enough for. Thanks for replying Tracey!

Everything you point out, Rad, is exactly what I found when I went to the science blogs that addressed the issue. It's a real shame that blogs are slowly fading away since they provide valuable commentary beyond the over-hyped headlines. I followed the commentary on Twitter, which resulted in the baby being thrown out with the bathwater. I had wondered if this is a special new reality of social media or it has always been this way. I think that it has always been this way. So few people read beyond the headline and into the guts of a news article -- i.e. regular people have only ever read tweet-sized information whether in print or online.

Rad Antonov

Semantics and salesmanship aside, the AdS/CFT paper merits more discussion than the perfunctory put down we, regulars, rely on. Duality has been all the rage for 20+ years, but the idea that it can be seen in the lab is recent. The claim that it has been observed raises legitimate questions. Is this a path to testing new physics that we think may govern systems we couldn’t possibly conceive of doing experiments with, like black holes? If not that, can it teach us something about other topics, like entropy or emergent phenomena? Phil Anderson wrote a whole essay harping on how difficult it is to go from a simple, single particle understanding to modeling many body effects. Condensed matter physics is especially rich in that department and it is note able that a Hamiltonian for strongly correlated electrons made this work possible. There are in fact other proposals for implementing quantum holography in the lab, such as this [https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.00802] “Quantum holography in a graphene flake with an irregular boundary” paper suggests. Now, what I feel the jury really needs to deliberate is whether this particular work is an experimental breakthrough. I would say no, it is not. The AI optimization was neat and made the measurement possible, but it doesn’t look like they did anything on the instrumentation front. Contrast this study with another recent Nature paper about entanglement enhanced matter wave interferometry https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05197-9: 700 atoms all in a coherent state. That to me reads like an experimental tour de force.

Rad, yes, we should have reinstated Glass-Steagall instead of Dodd-Frank, but I think that the problem was that Glass-Steagall would have prohibited commercial banks from participating in investment banking activities and Dodd-Frank continued to allow it but with some constraints, to make the financial industry happy, which is the fundamental problem. From what you say, we're at or near a "irrational exuberance" crash point with regards to satellite systems. The orbital space is like the RF spectrum, limited and so needs more controls over how competition plays out. Unlike fiber, we really can't have players taking up finite orbits in their competition, but due to the stupid "market ideology", IMO, government has been designed to not regulate to avoid chaos and its negative impacts to global systems when catastrophe occurs.

More seriously, I read those comments too and seeing how much interest there is in the topic, we'll be doing a longer video on cannabis.

Ah, but we already have that, it's called homeopathy ;)

Tracey, your point about the US having no control could have been handled by international treaty a long time ago, but it never seemed a priority for whatever reason. I think that even today there is a good chance for a treaty because there are more space powers that have a stake in a functional system. We need better foreign policy that focuses on common ground issues, such as the nonexistent satellite "system", that has produced overcrowding and risk of catastrophe due to debris.

Armando Mistral

I just look at the core Snopes site and avoid the "Snopes-lite" spin-offs where they take (allegedly) edited inputs. Almost all my Snopes-ing is in search of black/white yes/no facts with documentary evidence. I've found them to be pretty fair when it comes to 'indeterminate' cases, so, yeah I think they're still reliable. Buuuut: always Trust But Verify.

Rad Antonov

Ironically, the banks got Dodd-Frank and SIB supervision now. Maybe should’ve stuck with Glass-Steagall. As for the satellite crowd, Telesat’s debt is already deeply distressed, even though the company has yet to launch a single bird for its LEO constellation. Starlink’s head honcho will be hard pressed to find a bank willing to give him money after torching the Street with the financing for his foray into social media. Point is, it won’t be long before the economic rationale for these constellations is put to the test. Is all this capital spending going to be a repeat of the fiber laying craze at the turn of the century? XO Communications and Global Crossing anyone? As Tracey points out, there are state actors that won’t care about economics, but the FCC wouldn’t be able to do anything about them anyway.

Hmmm... cannabis vs placebo... That's it, I'm going to develop and market placebo pills for the general public. There will be cannabis placebos, sleeping pill placebos, medicinal herb placebos, etc. The advantage of these placebos is that there are no side effects and you will not have to worry about drug tests required by your employer. These are guaranteed to sell like hotcakes (Liver King or Gwyneth Paltrow's Goop, anyone). Who's with me? More seriously, I found it illuminating to read the YouTube comments about marijuana use and perceived pain management. Yeah, I understand that pain management might depend on the one or two specific compounds in marijuana and different studies looked at different compounds, so it is a little unfair to just say "cannabis"=no pain relief. However, of the commenters who said they smoked marijuana -- all compounds in play -- some agreed that there was no easing of pain at all (although some no longer cared about the pain) and others were adamant they got total pain relief and it is definitely not a placebo effect. How could we tell the difference between the placebo effect and variations between people such that the drug is only actually helpful for about half of the people? Just a thought...

Well said, Jeffery! I had not heard about that 600 sq ft monstrosity -- and they're planning more? There are no curse words powerful enough to express how I feel. Even if the US had strong, enforced regulations for both what can be launched and the "cleanup" at the end of a satellite's life, we have no control of any other nation. Even an international treaty wouldn't stop, say, China, if they don't sign on (hell, even if they do sign on).

Hi Tracey, yeah I saw that go down on Twitter. Wolchover responded but whatever her intentions were she over-egged it. Like, even I read stuff like that (or just look at the title + synopsis) and think, but that's not actually a wormhole/portal to a parallel dimension/actual black hole, or am I missing something? 🧐🤔 to later find Sabine and/or another physicist on Twitter bagging the whole thing out. I hope that quantum wormhole chip shemozzle is a lesson for at least Quanta if not more outlets.

Hey Armando, how do you feel about Snopes these days? Snopes has always been my goto as well, especially when I need to refute some BS my friends and family post on Facebook. In the last few years, it has been attacked as a left-wing, biased site. Is this true, or is Snopes still trustworthy?

Quanta Magazine and their reporter, Natalie Wolchover, got a pretty good reaming on social media and popular science blogs about this. Quanta distributed a YouTube video and their news story really had an overhyped title. No doubt that simulations with qubits are difficult and this research represents a step forward for such computing tasks, but this is nowhere near producing a useful physics result.

Regarding the "exclusion from regulation" it should be obvious that without proper regulation conditions go to poop because markets, such as satellite launchers and companies that use satellites, do not concern themselves with the mess that they make. In fact, markets have never solved any problem it took law, as in regulation, to do that with proof being the reduction in bank failures and economic crises after Glass-Steagall and their increase after Gramm-Leach-Bliley, such as the subprime mortgage crisis. Of course there is the problem of regulatory capture by special interests that must be dealt with, but some believe that that is a feature and not a bug. That said, there is a problem with space debris that has never been dealt with that has resulted in more of a problem than if it had. It seems that some regulation must be put in place to clean up the low earth orbit space now, before things get even more crowded. That it hasn't to a large degree can be attributed to failed leadership due to the the belief in the "markets" myth.

Armando Mistral

See, that's the thing. The gold that Sabine reliably delivers to us every week is not just the "science news", but is slyly *teaching* us to sniff out and reject BS. She is a worthy successor of Carl Sagan (may his memory last forever) and his Baloney Detection method.

Armando Mistral

Oh, yeah, even better. But at least horsing around with faux quantum nonsense won't make my jaw fall off.

Maybe 'quantum' now is what Radium was with woo-mongers and charlatans.

One of my favourite television shows in childhood/teens was an Australian program about new science and technology developments, called 'Quantum'. It was a pretty straightforward and enjoyable show. I miss that. There's a lot of great videos on YouTube but the writing about physics topics seems to be not up to that standard as far as I can tell. I appreciate the lessons in discernment.

Armando Mistral

I think people are getting kind of jaded. Time was, everything was called "quantum", especially when it wasn't. The Woo crowd is moving in fast and will kill this nonsense by flooding the zone with their shit. But I'm not bitter.

Armando Mistral

Look, years ago I put an icon to Snopes on my desktop for fast access when BS came my way that I needed to squash. I now have Sabine's Science News up there. If wormholes raise their ugly heads again, I'll check with her first, even before she suggested we do that. Ain't nobody got time for that!

I anticipate more incoming pandemonium online after that synopsis of the 'quantum wormhole' that wasn't.😆


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