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Cold Fusion is Back (there's just one problem)

🕑 Added 2022-10-08 12:00:06 +0000 UTC
Cold Fusion is Back (there's just one problem)

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D Brown

Hope she makes it out before everything goes boom.

Pavel Kolinko

I was really happy how pragmatically and factually you covered this topic. It was consistent with how I felt on the topic - highly skeptical of "world-changing commercial fusion" due to coulomb barrier and unlikely to get sufficient fusion through tunneling, but further research certainly should be done so that the scientific community understands exactly what is going on with various 4+ sigma findings described in the video. Good things come when science gets to the bottom of unexplained experimental observations.

Pavel Kolinko

The taxpayers funds, appropriations bills, and grants are dependent on elected officials, their appointees, PR and the job is to a) good R&D and b) to present the R&D in the best possible light. If the money was tied to the quality of research, instead of taxpayers , the whole PR function would be unnecessary, because it would 'distort' the data.

Pavel Kolinko

PR is an equivalent of your Communist Party 'performance evaluator', in todays Capitalist world. The way the Capitalist world is set up is simple - the people who get money are those who earn the money in the markets / selling, not those whose ideas improve the world, otherwise Isaac Newton, Shockley / Bardeen would be zillionaires. Hence even fundamental R&D activities that are 'for the greater good' have to be run like commercial enterprises, PR, sales (proposals / grants) etc. I think the wheels started coming off the "cooperation train" somewhere in the 1970's

Stuart has to go to uni and study to get the qualifications to apply for grants now. 😀

It'll be some child genius who builds one for a school project, I reckon. 😆

Ha, cool!

Apply for a research grant!

I know someone who knows someone who knew them both at the time. Sounds sketchy, I admit, but I think everyone in this chain is trustworthy. He says that Pons & Fleischman felt badly misunderstood and were also rather offended for being made fun of when they were just doing their job. Make of this what you wish, but I doubt they were joking.

I hope not!

Thanks, I appreciate your support!

D Brown

"Cold fusion experiments are small and relatively inexpensive.." and therefore not driven by greed, making it less likely that it is given the needed funding. I would not be surprised to find the first news of success is in the form of a 100 foot crater where a garage one stood.

Pavel Kolinko

I updated my membership to $8 per month based on this video. Sabine does an excellent job covering the facts in a controversial science area.

You're right, Nicolas, it is normally impossible to quantify the degree to which one thing or another affects hiring decisions. However, in my case, the year was 2008-2009 when the financial crisis caused over half of the physics/astronomy faculty searches in the US to be canceled. There were 5 of us at the institution on our 2nd post-doc, all roughly equal qualifications and on the faculty job market. Only 2 of us had press on projects we had done. We ended up short-listed double the amount of our 3 friends and we were the only 2 to get faculty positions. The other 3 extended their post-docs for 6 months but ended up leaving academia altogether. 5 is too small a number to be useful, but astronomy is a pretty small community and what we saw at my institution was typical at others. In normal years, you are absolutely correct that the press would have been only a minor contributor to hiring decisions, but in this one year, it was a key contributor. When I first started here, I wondered why we did so much press on basically fluff. It's not like our undergrad students are doing ground-breaking research. I know that prospective students never read news and I thought for sure that their parents could tell that the stories were just fluff. However, when we poll parents and students why they come to even check us out or why they chose us, always on top of the parents' list are things from the fluff we put out (the kids just parrot their parents). I'm still amazed at how well our press-based advertising works because I feel exactly the same way you do on the subject.

So I'd like to introduce you all to my friend btw, a fellow Sabine aficionado. 😀

Facts. Destroying people's dreams one at a time.

Sure - this is how it works today; but I would argue that a good scientist would look at this and say "there is no control group"; you can't recreate doing another post-doc in the same conditions, - we can't go back through time. Plus we couldn't simulate a world with no PR department. I can see how, in a PR-filled-world, your non-PR'd post-doc might be overlooked and you wouldn't land that faculty job. But if no post-doc was PR'd, or, if there was another process in place, maybe you'd have landed that job still. I am not saying I know of a way to avoid PR (and advertisement more generally), it's probably impossible to avoid completely. But I know it is possible to minimize the influence of commercials (the worst of all, as they convey no other information than someone found funds to make that commercial) and other mass communications - since they have very little influence on me. Whenever I see a college-based communication, I assume it is profit-driven and therefore not trustworthy. It could pique my curiosity, and I'd read the actual paper, or check forums where they might discuss that paper. Or articles from media that I believe are more independent. Or listen to Sabine :). I wouldn't base any decision on those PR communications. As to the duty of reporting to the taxpayers - there are many departments (like intelligence services) that do not report publicly. I'm not saying I know how else this could work; maybe it's the least bad solution given our culture and general education with regard to the influence of advertisement. But I do hope we can find a better system, and have fewer conflict of interest in our work.

This is a pretty cool video. She messed up the definition of a plasma a little bit, but that doesn't detract from the story being told. This is part 1 where they set up the background science. I would guess that Part 2 will be out next week and in that part, they will actually build their own reactor.

ahhh.... I got it now. Sometimes I, too, feel as though Sabine's goal is to try to get the audience drunk. ...but there's just one problem...

I just found this video on YouTube, haven't watched it yet: https://youtu.be/piPbnKdve9M It's bound to be entertaining.

Interesting observations. I have always known palladium is a very interesting metal to work with, in particular due to its placing in the Periodic table - in the same band as nickel and platinum and next to silver. Given these findings, has anyone thought of using ultrasonic resonance on heavy water with a palladium sample in it to kick start such a process?

In retrospect, I started reading that chapter at home, I could've played a game where I took a sip every time I read that phrase.

'...the future is ... fixed except for occasional quantum events that we cannot influence.' repeated throughout in the chapter 'Has Physics Ruled Out Free Will?' Sabine's style of humour often lends itself to drinking-type games on various scales.

Unfortunately, we can't do that. Consider, for example, research conducted with data from NASA telescopes. Since NASA is paid for with taxpayer money, they have a duty to report back to the taxpayer what is going on with the data from these telescopes. We scientists write up our papers for other scientists, but the public is informed through press releases. In my case specifically, when it came to publicizing my 3-dimensional reconstruction of the Cassiopeia A supernova remnant, there was a lot of back-and-forth with the crafting of the headline, and it wasn't technically accurate, and we'll make sure there is an accurate sentence in the body, and so on. Although they bent over backwards to appease my concerns, it was made clear to me that my requests were becoming burdensome. The PR team had free reign to just run with my data products and do what they wanted with them because they belonged to the taxpayers. When my post-doc was finished and I was looking for a permanent faculty position, all of the press on my Cas A project helped me land just that. Any state college or university also has a duty to report back to the taxpayers but an even greater role of PR departments at all public and private colleges and universities is to make sure that there are plenty of news articles to attract new students. We work very closely with our PR people to get the word out about awards to current students and what kinds of research our students are doing. We couldn't survive without our PR people.

Tracey, my question is, why would scientists listen to PR departments? One way to reduce the power of PR departments is to stop paying attention to them.

I don't know about Pons&Fleischman being a practical joke... They basically fled to France to continue their research after the blow up. I would have pulled the emergency brake and gotten off the PR ride before anything went public, were I in their situation and it was all just a joke.

Hi Nicolas, I've made my fair share of Pons & Fleischmann jokes, but these two guys were definitely caught up in the media storm pushed by their University PR department. Their research was plausible at the time and they really thought they had measured something meaningful from it. I disagree with Richard below, I wouldn't throw away my reputation on a practical joke. Scientists need to have veto power over PR departments so that they can wait for peer review and independent confirmation before PR runs with it.

There are drinking games in 'Existential Physics'? How did I miss that? Do share...

re: Pons and Fleischman - If you are pushing hydrogen or deuterium into the metal crystal structure, sooner or later something has to give. You might, for example, get a phase change in the metal structure. Or produce a lot of defects that eventually merge producing another kind of phase change. Sudden increases in neutron radiance can simply be statistical variations which should be expected when you are looking at this kind of stochastic process. Paladium has several radioactive isotopes which will produce some 'noise' in this kind of experiment. One has to be very careful of side effects. In one example, a magnetic field was present and 'energy production' was seen due to magnetic hysteresis. - I tend to think that Pons and Fleischman was a practical joke that got out of hand.

Why are there drinking games in 'Existential Physics' and video scripts that I come across when I can't play them. Not fair! 😆

Thank you for the excellent and thoughtful video. Andrea Rossi (who is a personal friend) is still working, and has just launched a multi-year live camera of a working energy device. It can be reached here: https://e-catworld.com/

Great content again! Thanks Sabine for combing through all those papers and summarizing them for us. The media almost always distort what the papers say, probably so that they get more readers. I especially enjoy your independence of mind, combined with excellent thinking, which is the basis for good science.


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