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Can we make flying "green"?

🕑 Added 2022-10-01 12:00:13 +0000 UTC
Can we make flying "green"?

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Manmade nuclear is cost effective and more than sustainable. The EBR II, a fast breeder, proved itself capable and safe in 1986 and as breeders create their own fuel and would use the existing thermal reactor waste as a source the cost of fuel would be essentially constant and not subject to political or market whims. The cost of nuclear is more than competitive with wind and solar (https://www.mackinac.org/blog/2022/nuclear-wasted-why-the-cost-of-nuclear-energy-is-misunderstood). The alternatives, wind and solar, cannot produce the scale of energy required by an industrial economy, for example providing power to iron smelters and glass plants. Currently, solar and wind are used to keep peaker plants from having to be spun up because they have no storage capacity. Biofuels are environmentally devastating for the reasons that I discuss above.

Okay, but apply the TAO to cost carbon emissions properly and see if man-made nuclear energy (as opposed to the free fusion reactor 150 million km away) can compete with sustainable solar forms, including wind, direct solar and biofuels. Good luck building a cheap breeder reactor (engineering problems cost money to fix) :)

Hydrogen is the fuel of the future. When produced from water by a fast breeder reactor, it is limitless as is the energy produced by the fast breeder. Anything considered as a problem today are engineering problems and will be dealt with. Hydrogen produced from water by the fast breeder carries none of the environmental problems that the "alternatives" do and it would be immune from economic crises, embargoes, inflation, etc. Biofuels are a horrible idea as they require wildlife habitat to grow, as does all agriculture and we are collapsing wildlife populations at an ever increasing rate. For example, what did Brazil have to do to get their biofuels from sugarcane? That's right, it destroyed rainforest or pampas to develop that agriculture. Also, consider that removing the material to make biofuels removes what would otherwise decay back into the soil and that then degrades the soil even faster. Industrial agriculture is already environmentally devastating from its use of chemicals to the destruction of wildlife habitat, especially for meat production that also results in the needless slaughter of the livestock as humans do not need meat to sustain life or health. Going vegetarian would free up all the land now needed for feeding livestock and NOT considering biofuels would leave more land unplowed, better for all.

That's a good analysis of the merits of the different alternatives to fossil-fuelled aviation. (Not sure if it is the promised feature video on biofuels, but of course they got a good mention. I would only quibble the use of corn as the poster-child for ethanol production. Cane-ethanol is much more energy efficient to produce). The bigger point I would raise is that there still seems to be a disconnect between the economic and technical dimensions of the problem/challenge of achieving zero-net. I submit that "polluter-pays to absorb" (aka the TAO, short for "tradeable absorption obligation") bridges that disconnect and will ensure that the market finds the best solution so that scientists and other commentators don't have to try to pick technical winners. At the same time, the TAO will create huge biofuel feedstocks during the zero-net transition. Oh and also, it will actually remove CO2 from the atmosphere during the transition, at the right price for actually removing CO2 from the atmosphere (because it goes directly to the job at hand, which is removing from the atmosphere the CO2 that we emit.)

Rad Antonov

It’s a legit concern. In a similar vein, billions of dollars were raised in the corporate bond market under the guise of green finance. Supposedly, they’ll be used to either pay for investments in green projects or obligate the company to meet certain ESG targets. Of course, it’s all self reported and investors have no way to verify the accuracy of what management tells them.

I saw a comment over on YouTube about "greenwashing" and it makes me wonder in general, for any industry, how much of the green research we see is real and actionable and how much is just greenwashing.

Rad Antonov

Exactly. It’s a useless academic exercise to be talking about making aviation green. In transportation, I’d be more interested in the impact of container shipping and trucking. Bunker fuel is the dirtiest fossil fuel. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/18/dirty-diesel-ships-worst-offenders-pollutionwatch At least there are finally some recent attempts to clean it up.

That's it, out with poultry, in with waterfowl!

I was wondering to myself if/when small nuclear power cells could be used for airplanes. I figure that they would suffer from the same weight problems as batteries and, in addition, suffer from the general public's fear of anything nuclear. The high price of fossil fuel alternatives seems like it will keep the carbon footprint of flying large. In the race to keep ticket prices as low as possible to get more customers, the profit margins for airlines are small. There is very little economic room to do much else.

Chickens can be vicious if they're annoyed. My family had 2 or 3 chooks for several years. They weren't really pets but they were entertaining. I do know a family that have pet chickens.

We had a turkey one year that we let roam freely in the yard. That bird always attacked me. Every day when I came home from school, I had to sneak through the neighbor's corn field around to the back of the shed to let the dog loose so he would protect me from the turkey so I could get back in the house. That bird tasted extra nice at Thanksgiving. Just say no to emotional support turkeys. The geese, on the other hand, were very friendly and I was able to get them to eat out of my hand. My advice, go with a goose or a duck.

Where's my emotional support poultry? I wouldn't mind one if I can convince my cat to make friends with it.


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