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Why are testosterone levels falling?

🕑 Added 2022-11-12 13:00:06 +0000 UTC
Why are testosterone levels falling?

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Interesting question. I guess the brief answer is that transgender men aren't included in the studies.

It's not just Jeffery or him in particular I'm annoyed about making statements like this about transgender people and sex, btw.

Hi Jeffery, your first paragraph is wrong. Transgender people have transgender brains, nothing to do with what Carlson or anyone thinks. Transgender people are real, their experience of themselves is real, there are more than 2 sexes, chromosomes alone make up neither sex nor gender, cisgender amd transgender are from Latin and are technically. accurate. Accepting that transgender people know their reality, accepting and affirming them *THE SAME WAY YOU ALREADY DO WITH CISGENDER PEOPLE, AM I DAMN CLEAR ENOUGH* is how you accept them for who they are. Science is way ahead of the 2-gender-2-sex binary that most of us learnt in school. Cultures in other places and times have non-binary and transgender categories of people. Modern Australian First Nations people have Brother Boys and Sister Girls, for example, to describe transgender Indigenous people. If you want argue or 'debate' me, I'm not biting. I've already had this discussion many times online including in Backreaction with other people also supporting these facts. I'm feeling pretty pissy about still seeing anti-science guff about transgender people, so.

As a side note, I think that people like Tucker, conservatives more often, created the whole "trans" thing because they have a concept of what life should be like and therefore created definitions that aren't reality. For example, there are really only two sexes, male, determined by the XY chromosomes, and female, determined by the XX chromosomes, and each packages their half of the human genome in sperm or egg, respectively. That's it. However, humans did create the gender thing, masculine and feminine, that tells people how they are supposed to be that conflicts with how they actually are in many cases. Thus the use of "cis" in gender discussions. IMO, the entire "trans" thing is a reaction against being told how one is supposed to be and wouldn't exist if we just accepted people as they are. Not all boys like sports or fighting and not all girls like being passive.

You did a good job of accurately summarizing the subject. For a more detailed discussion of the complexities of testosterone and estrogen I suggest watching Andrew Huberman's interview with Peter Attia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTCmprPCDqc

I'd rather be with someone who would solve problems than get aggro at them; the budgies have the right idea. I think my deep affection for my own cat is possibly from toxoplasmosis gondii having colonised my brain. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Rad Antonov

I screwed up my reply, went in as a standalone post, but was meant to be in response to your comment.

Rad Antonov

Clearly, our environment has changed a lot, so no one should be surprised that our bodies are changing too. I am reading the “Triumph of Doubt” by David Michaels and he has a chapter on forever chemicals, which appear to be a real threat to reproductive health in more ways than discussed in the episode : https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/18/toxic-chemicals-health-humanity-erin-brokovich. Obviously, I don’t want to be exposed to this stuff or anything else that’s going to mess with my chemistry, but personally, don’t have a lot of interest in the topic. What I do find interesting is this study that addresses your initial comment: https://scholar.google.com/scholar_lookup?author=J.+Chen&author=Y.+Zou&author=Y.-H.+Sun&author=C.+ten+Cate&publication_year=2019&journal=Science&pages=166&doi=10.1126%2Fscience.aau8181&pmid=30630929#d=gs_qabs&t=1668309833305&u=%23p%3DUs9qxS-WwT8J Female Budgerigars switch their mate to prefer a problem solver! I knew that diff eq class would pay off one day! 😝 And on the subject of testosterone, the most interesting thing I’ve heard recently is an experiment described starting at the 29:27 mark of Strogarz’s Joy of Why Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-joy-of-why/id1608948873?i=1000571384551 Testosterone laden males have statistically shorter life spans. I’d rather have a few extra years, even if it means moving up to the green tees. Cute cats. I never thought I’d be a cat person myself, but my kids got a pair of Birmans a few years ago and now I am.

I'm being pedantic here but all figures in the video are for cisgender men apparently. I wonder how levels for transgender men taking testosterone compare to cisgender men with normal levels, are there discrepancies? Not that I think testosterone levels maketh the man.

Danke schön für die Katzen. 💖

For Colleen and anyone else who wants to look, quantum entangled cats: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YJ6yg1q5EJEr_1Vj81mUQM7knYzZSPFc/view?usp=sharing The black one is Felicia and she is 5, the white one is Turkey and he is 15. As for this week's topic, I saw an interesting video about how birth control pills affect women's mate preferences, specifically that women are less interested in "manly" appearance and more interested in ability to "provide". I don't know the statistical weight of this finding. Similarly, estradiol has been found in our water supply, presumably as a result of birth control pills as well. I have no idea how higher estrogen levels would lead to lower testosterone so I'll go with Armando and agree that eating quiche is the ultimate reason for low testosterone levels in men these days. I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV. I have a serious sociological question for the men on this forum -- you know how when Sabine ventures into non-physics topics, many commenters respond that she should stay in her physics lane. It seems from the YouTube comments this week that, in addition to staying in her lane, many men are displeased with this specific choice of topic. I thought that the facts were presented clearly and with no snarkiness toward men in general, just towards Tucker Carlson specifically. When Sabine covered obesity, fat people didn't accuse her of fat-shaming or anything. Did I miss something this week? Am I looking through feminist-colored glasses? I am hoping that the 6 or so men who regularly post here are representative of half the human population, statistically speaking :-).

Armando Mistral

We were told in 1975 that real men don't eat quiche. So what have we been eating? Quiche.


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