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Warmup Sketch Commission Clarification
🕑 Added 2016-05-22 15:12:29 +0000 UTC It's come to my attention that at least one person was getting some fan grief for using their Patreon sketch commission slot to auction and resell and do whatever to either mitigate the price or make a profit.I have no problem with this.
As long as my business relationship on this end remains simple and meets my terms for the pledge, I'm fine. As long as I get the information without complications and issues, in a timely manner, I don't care about the process on the pledge holder's end. People doing this doesn't change my obligation, work load, or income.
This may put an end to people who want to create a fuss over nothing. Thanks!
Comments
Artica
I know I've been waiting 2 years to try for it, but nobody gives up that pledge slot lol
hashirama senju
Fair enough thanks for the answer!
Jay Naylor
Because I only have time to reliably do 10 per month without it preventing me from doing everything else I have to do.
hashirama senju
Why exactly are only 10 people allowed to have the 50 slot? Why not more like 50 or even more?
Martin Mahoney aka. Qckslvrslash
Where it becomes frustrating is for all those on a waitlist to try and get those limited commission slots from you and somebody is just holding onto it and rather getting art for themselves or friends is selling it off.
Frostfox
I understand. My view and interpretation of being "ripped off" differs from yours, so with that, I'll just be quiet.
Jay Naylor
Thing is, I can't be on the fence. To me, being "ripped off" isn't a feeling, a notion, a sensation that I have. It's a situation that has to be rooted in fact. I have to be losing out, materially. I have to be tricked out of something owed. None of those material circumstances apply, so by an assessment of reality (not a feeling, not a suspicion or a vague notion) I'm not being ripped off.
Frostfox
I feel I gave an opinion and understand your standing with your explanation. I perhaps would run things differently, but I'm not you, nor do I hold your artistic talent. I... am on the fence with both of our statements.
Jay Naylor
Do you still agree with your observation despite my explanation?
Frostfox
Again, just an observation from a... i guess best term would be "concerned patron."
Jay Naylor
What keeps people from buying commission slots is the fact there are only 10 and they're all taken. One can buy a slot as soon as someone else drops one. Come the day there's enough "discouragement" that I have trouble filling the 10 slots, you will be right. But that day isn't here, and I predict it will never come.
Frostfox
Discouragement might lead to people no longer buying the $50 commission slots, especially if to get one, someone would need to pay maybe $75 or even $100 to get it. Just my opinion and observation, not telling you how to run things, mind you *holds hands up at sides innocently*
Jay Naylor
Explain how I'm losing money. Commission slots can only be held by one person at a time so you can't buy a "chunk" of slots.
Frostfox
I don't know Jay... isn't that kinda using you and ripping you off at the same time? They can essentially buy a good chunk of the slots and jack the prices up, discouraging those who really do want your commission pics. It might discourage them to the point of not bothering to grab a commission slot.
Jay Naylor
Pretty much.
MKX Player
So as long as you get credit and the $50 you don't care if someone is selling the commission spot on the side for more? Does that sum it up?
legojohn
I think the complainer probably figured that other patron users don't allow it and they'd use it to start a fuss here.
Teh Feeesh
Things like this are why I sleep on the floor and think heating my beans up before eating them counts as gourmet... I'd never have thought of doing this. Genius! :D
Glenn Sellers
It's good of you to address this. At least now, the complainers should understand your position and accept it. If they don't, at least your position is crystal clear to them. Personally, if I was in the $50.00 tier and I commissioned one of your drawings, I'd keep it so I could show it off to everyone; but, that's me.
Luis Camara
This is why I love you, Naylor... No homo tho
Jay Naylor
I don't care if someone sells space in their commission to another person. But the work has to be credited to me and I don't think that's an issue.
Joseph "Fortain" Housley
So, as a dumb question, was the person (random name: Longfellow) doing this: pay $50/month, get sketch (or wait 2 months for $100), sell picture as their own work (or "official Jay Naylor content"); or: pay $50/month (or $100/2 months for color pic), run auction of "You describe, Jay draws, I give to you!"? I would think that, while "Longfellow's" character would be theirs, the pic would belong to Jay, unless it's done as a "I'm commissioning you to draw this so I can sell it" situation.
N
As long as it doesn't make the commission slots go away, I'm fine with it.
Jay Naylor
Principles matter.
SithYautja
Free market. ;)
