Pledge Manipulation

Jay Naylor

Again, try not to have a narrow "this is what I get" focus. It's about the artist's time, energy, living, what they can produce and still survive, and what they feel they owe to people who make that possible. Paying so you can access thing is only half of it; the other half is paying so that the artist can continue to produce at a certain pace and justify it as "work".

Jay Naylor

No, that's not correct. In order to continue living, I had to devote FA primarily to commission work, which is why I was doing a lot of YCHs. It's only *because* of Patreon that I'm able to devote time to producing the kinds of things I used to use FA for even more, back when the catalog made a more sustainable living. So, it wasn't a capricious move to Patreon, it was a necessary one. Without which, I wouldn't have the time and energy to draw these things. So I do owe it to genuine supporters to give them something beyond those with entitled expectations.

Elberik

Fair point

Elberik

The complaint that you've put works that used to just be posted to FA behind a paywall is not without grounds. If you want to use Patreon as a distributor for comics then fine- (that'swhere I think your focus should be) but don't say people should be thankful that you're generously only charging $1 to see work that was once posted to FA for free. I'd make the Patreon viewable to all but continue with the exclusive links for $6+

Jay Naylor

I know. It's a precarious line to walk. It's why I'm sleeping on any decision I make. But I still want the $1 tier to be a good value. :3

Maybe putting the full colored works into the 6+ area. Just an idea. You put your heart into your work and some people just steal them. In the end they´re upset because you don´t continue your releasing like you did before... Strange world.

Elberik

Your work is popular enough that it will be redistributed regardless of how many hurdles you place in front of people. the $6+ tiers are clearly where you make your money, why alienate more people by erecting more paywalls?

zeel

That may be possible, but I have a feeling that there is some legal can of worms involved. All the crowdfunding services have this in common. Woth YouTube Google is the one doing thw paying, they aren't acting as an intermediary for anyone. Taking and holding money is different, and I would bet that there are legal issues, and liability issues.

James

I'm not saying the money would go directly to Jay's PayPal, but that all of the money gets pooled, and he gets paid at the end of the month. Sorta like how YouTube pays content creators. The problem is that Patreon isn't taking people's money as soon as they pledge, allowing them to partake in the art, then leave without paying.

James

I'm paying with PayPal, though. Oooooh no!

Robert Knight..aka..Guardian

James...FYI... Paypal WILL NOT (AFAIK) pay Patreon due to some rule about NSFW art. So safest bet is to use a regular credit card

zeel

This allows them to process all transactions at once, and then send it all to the creator in one big lump. This makes the pay days more regular for creators.

Lord Chaos

Glad I upped mine to 6 then. Well worth it.

Jay Naylor

Right now, no. They're supposedly coming up with a way to let you ban patrons from future transactions when you notice it, though.

ZenoCoyote

OH, I see how you mean. They sign up for the $1/$6 pledge, enjoy the comics on your feed, then bail before the 1st of the month so it's free. If that's true, that's seriously fucked. Can Patreon find a way to fix that loop hole?

James

Wow. Didn't expect people would actually do that. I assumed Patreon would bill you even if you unpledge. They need to make it so you get the money taken from your Paypal/credit card as soon as you pledge. I was confused when I first pledged and no money had been taken from my Paypal. It's a serious problem that has an easy solution.

Progfox

Some people :/ $12 at the absolute least for an entire year, but nope, too much for some :c

Jay Naylor

No, because the $6+ pledge tiers get exclusive content sent to them after their pledges process. So if someone cancels, they get nothing.

Jay Naylor

Mm yeah. Wonder why they don't.

rxk5031

I'm still new to patreon entirely, but could not this person do the same thing with a higher tier as well? I've been a fan for a long while and I'm happy to finally be in a place in life where I can offer some compensation. If it's just one person or a handful, maybe you can filter their behavior from your inbox. You've got an army of us supporting you for real. No need to waste your heart on the riffraff trying to peek over the fence :-)

It is a pity that they don't have a lockout or cool down period if you cancel your account... or if you create and cancel accounts to close to each other. One way they could fix it is if it tracked months instead of pledges. Thus, if you pledge $1 and then cancel your pledge.. the $1 is still gone and you get whatever emails until the same date of the next month or until the end of the month or something.

Jay Naylor

Thanks. :3

Dorago

Your work is worth giving 6$ every month :)